 Shadows of Europe - Not Out Yet |
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 Oct 17 2003, 01:09 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470  |
Because he's assuming that the problem is with the writers and not with the editors or production etc. I may tease Synner but I don't get to the level of name calling. I recognize that most of the writers do this in their free time and have "day jobs" kids etc and can't just sit down an pound stuff out. |
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Nov 4 2003, 01:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470 |
Any sign of the duck?
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Nov 4 2003, 02:48 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Just for reference I take Hot Wheels and everybody elses' teasing as just that.
Along with a small number of original EuroSBers, I've now lived with this project for very close to four long and demanding years. It was no mean feat keeping things together and rolling, overcoming the inevitable problems and managing a 20+ strong team of individuals. Nobody wants to see it on the shelves more than me. As I've said before SoE is currently in the final stages of Development. Primary writing was finished several months ago (Zen really should get his facts straight), however it is understandable that the sheer scope of the project, the fact that it has to be reviewed for continuity with at least 3 previous sourcebooks and that 90% of the writers don't have English as a mother tongue impact directly on the time and work required to edit it. |
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Nov 4 2003, 06:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470 |
Hey, I was defending you a couple of weeks ago, I was just looking for an update, with a cute tv reference. I just hope you're not "triffleing" with us. :silly:
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Nov 4 2003, 06:40 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Honestly the previous post wasn't meant as a jibe at you, Hot Wheels. Let's just say you've been one of the people who have consistently been nice about inquiring on SoE status, far more so than others. I really wish I had something new to report but there's precious little to add right now - no duck or bananas. As soon as I have any definite details I can share, rest assured I'll let you know.
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Nov 4 2003, 07:19 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
I'll post the SOE wallpaper tonight. I was going to last night, but I had a case of losing my lunch and decided to just take it easy for the evening. :/
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Nov 4 2003, 11:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470 |
oh, were you listening to NBC execs trying to justify their line up too?
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Nov 5 2003, 01:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
Meanwhile, across town in the BEESTEcave...
[cue spinning screen psychaedelia effects and diddly-diddly-dee audio...] Holy Oversized Wordcounts! The BEESTEdraft editor machine is almost finished Synnerboy. All it took was a new label stuck onto the paper-shredder. :P |
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 Nov 9 2003, 11:40 AM
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The Sewer Jockey Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 857 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Kent, United Kingdom Member No.: 1,197 |
Just went and snaffooed the aforementioned wallpaper - it's very good, my compliments to the artist, and my thanks to you for putting such cool things up on the site - it's now gracing my desktop! Cheers... |
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Nov 9 2003, 01:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bangkok (sometimes Paris) Member No.: 332 |
The artist :
Merci Beaucoup :beret: I'm delighted that people like it. I'll probably do more of them in the future if I can get my hands on the hi-res scans of the artworks. *hint for Rob and Adam* ;) |
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Nov 10 2003, 08:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 138 Joined: 1-September 02 From: France Member No.: 3,208 |
Very nice indeed. Can we have the same at 1600x1200 ? :)
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Nov 11 2003, 04:03 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Goettingen Member No.: 1,094 |
Fanpro newsletter November 03:
SoE is supposed to be released January/February 2004. :eek: |
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Nov 11 2003, 06:56 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
***Special report from GenCon 2k7: The long awaited Shadowrun sourcebook Shadows of Europe should be out in a month. So hang in there, chummers, the wait should be over soon...***
J/K. I'm still very patient. If it still needs to be worked with, then that's how it is. Better late than bad. |
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Nov 12 2003, 01:55 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 16-October 03 Member No.: 5,724 |
I think I asked this before (with no reply), but I'll ask it again here...
Does anyone have a release date on the updated edition of M&M? October has come and gone, and still no Fanpro version. Am I right in assuming this will ship the same time as SOE? (See, it isn't off topic after all...) The book is currently selling at around $34 a copy on Ebay. |
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Nov 12 2003, 03:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bangkok (sometimes Paris) Member No.: 332 |
English or German version? BTW, what is the average time between a english version release and its german language release? |
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Nov 12 2003, 03:13 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Goettingen Member No.: 1,094 |
1. English version 2. Between 2 month and 1/2 a year(or never :S ) |
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Nov 14 2003, 05:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,709 |
Is anyone surprised? It usually seems to take about till February or so for any releases to come out after GenCon.
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Nov 14 2003, 01:35 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
While there is no final release date for SoE yet, I've had confirmation from Christian Lonsing at FanPro D that the product they were referring to in their November newsletter was the German version of SoE and not the English. While it is possible SoE might slip further, it is by no means a given that it will slip that far. It might or it might not. I would like to ask everyone to refrain from speculating until you hear something definite. I will post a date as soon as we have one. |
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Nov 14 2003, 06:18 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 31-July 03 Member No.: 5,185 |
That I have to wait that's ok. We all wait for good things.
Now I was looking at the official website the other day, and decided to take another look at the SoE page. So I look over at the corner and I see that they list the pages at 160. 160?? SoNA has 208. That's a 48 page difference. Considering that most of the material in SoE is going to be new why the huge difference? The price is listed as 24.99 the same as SoNA so why less material? I am sorry if I am being rude, but I am really curious as to why FanPro went this route. Never mind the wait, I think we all know that the writers do a great job and that Rob will also make sure that the book will be great. Now that I think about it, is the delay because Rob is having trouble fitting the material in just 160 pages? I would not want to condense material for 200 pages into 160... |
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Nov 14 2003, 07:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Reutlingen.de Member No.: 677 |
IIRC, Dot6w was announced as a 144 pages book, cover price 24,99, it turned out to be a whopping 208 pages for 24,99. what that means for SoE, I don't know. It's just something I noticed. The writers handed in a lot of material for that book, so much is sure (you want details on blown wordcounts? ask Synner ;) or use the search function on this board).
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Nov 14 2003, 08:52 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Or better yet don't. :P All I can say on this particular matter is what Rob Boyle told me, which is that 160 was a placeholder number that was used because it was necessary to put something up for the sell sheet and distributor solicitation. Layout was not complete at that point so final page count was impossible and it really was a generic figure. The other thing I can tell you is that the original breakdown of the project called for more pages than those 160, and every single author on the book (with one notable exception) blew the wordcount he was allocated (I'm particularly guilty). IIRC all Rob would confirm at the "What's Up With Shadowrun" seminar at RatCon is that, "it'll be a thick book." |
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Nov 14 2003, 09:21 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 31-July 03 Member No.: 5,185 |
Cool. :D
Now I really can't wait for it! |
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Nov 15 2003, 07:16 PM
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Yep, you guys sure did. Don't think editorial curses haven't rained down on you, either. Luckily, I don't think they can successfully cross oceans, but had you been on the same continent? I'm quite sure most of the authors would have blown up spontaneously by now. ;) Fear the power of the editors. |
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Nov 15 2003, 08:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Reutlingen.de Member No.: 677 |
With that in mind, accepting the offer to go to Toronto for a month or two might not have been the wisest choice then...
bah, humbug, I'm not superstitious....besides that, I developed an invulnerability to editorial staff curses as a side effect of my freelancer crack habit ;) |
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Nov 16 2003, 08:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 283 Joined: 30-September 03 From: Kenmore, NY, USA Member No.: 5,663 |
All I have to say is I'm disappointed that it won't be out for Christmas, I was planning on getting one for my GM as a christmas gift. Now I have to think harder about this particular dilema. What to do, what to do?
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