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post May 21 2014, 11:26 PM
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http://www.funkertactical.com/this-new-amm...un-owner-drool/
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Imagine a Hole saw. The hole saw action that occurs at points of entry into different mediums reduce initial drag which allow the hollow cavity in the center of the projectile to rapidly pack. In the case of plywood the hole saw action cleanly cuts and packs the projectile with a slug that makes it solid thus allowing it to conserve more of its energy. This performance could prove to be very effective for law enforcement that may be in a situation where the target is behind such an obstacle whereas more energy will be carried into the intended target and not lost in the obstacle.

In a fluid the projectile fragments. Due to the trocar geometry of each petal the resulting diameter of the fragmentation pattern is maximized. The trocar tips allow the fragments to swim through tissue / gel with less resistance thus conserving energy. The cross sectional thicknesses and geometries also create a full 180 degree flip halfway along each of the 8 petals path. The resulting shock wave and wound path is maximized. The result is devastating


It has decent penetration vs the solid stuff, but breaks up into a meat ripping mess when hitting softer bits, so getting a bit of the best of both worlds if it lives up to its promises.

Just right for perforating a troll's hide then pulping the insides.

Still has a little too much penetration even after fragmenting, even with the tumbling chewing through the test gel quite a few pieces still came out the other side.

So one could see some blowthrough on this when you really want the bits to disperse all their energy before leaving the party in the troll's belly.

Still, science and guns march on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post May 22 2014, 12:46 AM
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Looks Interesting Indeed... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 22 2014, 02:03 AM
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There is a reason why all of the tier 1 tactical and hunting loads place a strong emphasis on weight retention when striking barriers and/or the target. This reason for all of the engineers, metallurgists, and physicists of the ammunition industry not going this route is not "because we're too stupid to have thought up something this awesome".

Lets look at the past, shall we? Glasier rounds rapidly shed weight upon striking the target. Nobody important in the tactical or hunting world uses them. Powder metal bullets that explode when they hit warm people but stay together when they hit barriers. Nobody important in the tactical or hunting world uses them.

I'm seeing a strong trend here...
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post May 22 2014, 06:39 AM
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so is that the Armor Piercing Flechette Round from War !
or isn't it ?

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post May 22 2014, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE (psychophipps @ May 22 2014, 04:03 AM) *
There is a reason why all of the tier 1 tactical and hunting loads place a strong emphasis on weight retention when striking barriers and/or the target.

In order to retain weight, you first need to have weight. That round has a couple of metal toothpicks attached to a BB ball. Oh, and despite being mostly air and designed to fragment instantly in a body, it "defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing". If they have really managed such an extraordinary feat, I wonder why their promotional videos don't show any of this revolutionary effect?
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post May 22 2014, 12:27 PM
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Someone posted some nice vids of shooting different items with this round

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTpceymbX6w

He had some issues with the round not breaking up very well after punching through the double drywall, so the design may still be a work in progress.

Other items were

RIP ammo vs Watermelon: http://youtu.be/bP2H_pP6uhg

RIP ammo vs Water Bottle: http://youtu.be/fObgiaKTDNQ

RIP ammo vs Pineapple: http://youtu.be/H4yycUtOjrU

RIP ammo vs Apple: http://youtu.be/mxDiTPYe950 (I was hoping it was a Mac Apple, but sadly it's just the fruit (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) )

RIP ammo vs Water Balloon: http://youtu.be/3-p21MyMntw

RIP ammo vs Ballistics Gel: http://youtu.be/6sas9N3OmuM

RIP ammo vs Drywall: http://youtu.be/XU2YSAeutTM

RIP ammo vs Insulated Drywall: http://youtu.be/7cn68srLIxM

RIP ammo vs Concrete Cinder Block: http://youtu.be/hfAtvy73bX8
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post May 22 2014, 12:52 PM
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The shooting forums and blogs I follow all covered the RIP when it first hit the market. The consensus was that RIP was just a marketing gimmick.

Within a week, they were back to discussing whether their favorite top-shelf jacketed hollowpoint is or isn't 3% more effective than any of the other top-shelf jacketed hollowpoints.
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post May 22 2014, 01:50 PM
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This review pretty much sums up what my feelings were about the round before I went digging. Surprise they were spot on, and they back it up with real tests. The big road block on me even considering using a round like this was the idea of feed problems. He has a no feed issue five rounds in. If the ammo was not expensive I would to see someone do a 1000 round torture test with this ammo and see how many malfunctions you get. My guess is way too many when your life is on the line.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/d...ting-phase-one/

The videos that were posted by the manufacturer is essentially ammo porn. It is on the same level as someone doing cut tests with a sword on water bottles, and gas cans, really pointless, and self congratulatory. Won't be touching this stuff with a ten foot pole.
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post May 22 2014, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE (Ed_209a @ May 22 2014, 06:52 AM) *
The shooting forums and blogs I follow all covered the RIP when it first hit the market. The consensus was that RIP was just a marketing gimmick.

Within a week, they were back to discussing whether their favorite top-shelf jacketed hollowpoint is or isn't 3% more effective than any of the other top-shelf jacketed hollowpoints.


Pretty much par for the industry, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 22 2014, 04:03 PM
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Some of us enjoy bullet porn, thank you very much.
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post May 22 2014, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE (Gyrox10 @ May 22 2014, 10:03 AM) *
Some of us enjoy bullet porn, thank you very much.


No Doubt - Gun Porn, Bullet Porn, even Blade Porn. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 22 2014, 05:13 PM
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post May 22 2014, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE (binarywraith @ May 22 2014, 11:13 AM) *
They all fall to hardball. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)


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That May be true, but Porn is Porn, after all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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