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Jun 1 2014, 05:46 AM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
While I did have a build capable of stealing a gun off an enemy and shooting his way out, I think the pornomancer is your best bet. If you really want to twist the knife a bit, make a leadermancer with Commanding Voice. You can literally order people to get out of your way. well, no, if the goal is just to escape, the free spirit is pretty much a free automatic win because of the metaplanar shortcut. it was actually my first thought, but someone already suggested it. the pornomancer was mostly just a suggestion under the assumption that the GM is probably going to require a metahuman. but if the free spirit option is available, it's definitely the best bet. there's no dice rolling involved or anything even, so there isn't even that miniscule chance that your ~35 dice don't generate enough hits. the free spirit may suck royally after the specific scenario, but it can definitely escape. |
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Jun 1 2014, 05:56 AM
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Horror ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
I guess it depends on what your goal is: simply escape? If so, a free spirit of any kind automatically succeeds just by releasing their Materialization and returning to their native Metaplane.
If a free spirit is off the table, then I'd go with MedicineMan's "Can't see me!" pixie build or any shapechange into an insect. You can also make an AI. That would completely throw your GM for a loop, since all the HTR teams in the world are utterly useless when there's nothing to shoot. That's almost as good as a Free Spirit in terms of escapetitude. If there's no way off the local Matrix, however, then there's also no way on to it, which means you're free to take the motherfucker over with all the cheesiest building options available, secure in the knowledge that you can't be rofflestomped by the unending horde of Ares security hackers and IC pouring in from Ares Matrix Overwatch and GOD or whatever. Then you can just hijack a vehicle connected to the local grid and vamoose, after you've used the drones to murder everybody. |
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Jun 1 2014, 05:56 AM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
Even if the free spirit gets shot down he escapes when he reforms on the astral, though you should avoid it as it is really costly.
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Jun 1 2014, 02:40 PM
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Old Man of the North ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,405 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
What build do you have in mind that can succeed in starting by himself/herself in the middle of an Ares facility after being made, with no guns, and HTR teams approaching? [Shadowrun fourth edition, all sourcebooks] My GM joked about giving me this punishment and thinks I won't be able to accomplish it, seeing as how I am completely new to Shadowrun, and relatively new to tabletops in general (but having so much fun). So when I found this awesome forum, which has already been able to explain so much already with a quick search here and there, I thought "What a great place to ask!" In all, I would really like to take my GM up on his offer, I think it would be funny if I were able to outsmart him (by letting you guys outsmart him, admittedly). Thanks in advance! P.S Oh and I asked him if I can have magic and drones, he said yes. So that's a start! TIL you can use Divination in Shadowrun. Huh. That'll throw my GM for a loop. Sorry, forgot to say that we start with 500 BP for characters. As for background count, I'm gonna go ahead and say no. As in magic will work as normal (which is a background count of what? One?). Edge? I don't think so, its supposed to be my punishment, so max edge for your character, and no "Hand of God" unfortunately. I'm curious to know why you are being 'punished'. Aside from what this might tell me, in the following I assume the GM is fair and plays his NPCs intelligently. I also assume that he knows the rule books well enough to be confident in his ability to counter anything you throw at him. I strongly agree with the general tendency in the answers above to avoid combat. A well played team of NPCs will always win a protracted firefight, whether magic is involved or not. You can't win that way. Talking your way out is a better option, but I suspect this situation precludes success that way, too. A combat team won't negotiate with you, they will capture you and hold you till their pornomancer comes to pick your mind clean. I believe evading contact is your best way to go. An AI sounds interesting, but the Matrix is my weakest sphere of SR knowledge. So I vote for the Free Spirit as well. Materialization, rather than Possession, though that could be fun, too. There are specifics, though. The two complex action escape back to the home plane is so obvious, the GM must have a dodge around that. Now, I can't think of a guaranteed way to prevent this action, as others have said, but there could be something the GM has thought up. For example, this being Ares, they have experience in metaplanar actions. So, maybe they have your metaplane known and covered and are waiting there for you to return. Maybe there is shit going down there and you have come here to the facility that is the source of the trouble to nip things in the bud. Whatever PC you might choose to build, the GM is going to have to have a story as to why you are in this fix in the first place. That story could/should be able to deal with the easiest ways to evade the problem the GM has set for you. So, let's assume the Free Spirit PC can't just run home. Which means he/she/it (let's go with it) needs to sneak out. So I would give it the following traits. I won't flesh the PC out completely, but just pick out the things I can think of that it needs. I also assume that though you get 500 BP, you are subject to the limits of chargen, and since you have no karma to begin, you cannot do things like Initiate. Give it t least Force 5. Make it 6, so that potential background count of 1 is accounted for. This guarantees you 5 points of spirit powers for your PC and at least 10 points of Immunity to Normal Weapons, so the guys with the guns will have trouble hitting it, should they find it. Its Magic will equal its Force. Take Aura Masking for 3 points, Realistic Form for 0.5 points, and Mutable Form for 1 point. These are essential. The other half point could be Guard, to keep you from glitching on any rolls. If you can use the 6th point, go for something cool. Divining is 1 point, and allows the cheesiness of the Divination metamagic. It's unfortunate that you can't afford Concealment, which is 2 points. Make sure it's Intuition is as high as possible, too. With Force 6, it is limited to 6. All this is already very expensive. 250 BP to start, with all attributes at 2. Raising Force, Edge and Intuition to 6 each costs an additional 55 BP, so you have already spent 250 + 165 = 415 BP. Add Spellcasting and Counterspelling at rating 5 which cost 40 more BP. Add four spells, Stunbolt, Stunball (if you absolutely must fight), Shattershield and Pulse. These add another 12 BP. So far you have spent 467 BP, but this is the minimum you need to evade with this PC. Go wild with the other 33 BP! Almost certainly you are being watched by some camera somewhere in the room. Given the wording of the situation, there is no spirit present, otherwise the HTR team would not be coming, it would already be there. Use Pulse to shut off the camera(s) momentarily. This will allow you to dematerialize and rematerialize with Mutable Form as something small and mobile without high level software detecting the difference in the room as you rematerialize. I like spiders. This is where its spirit powers really come in. With Realistic Form you look to all normal senses like a spider. With Aura Masking, Assensing has to beat Intuition + Magic + Edge = 18 dice. This is reduced to 15 dice in BGC of 1, but the Assensing entity is also hampered. A fair GM is not going to throw unlimited Assensing on everything in the building and then say, "Eventually, something sees you for what you are." So, as you crawl through the ductwork, sooner or later a spirit or astrally projecting magician will come through and check you out, once. Then you use Edge to add dice and explode the 6s, so you are likely to get around 10 or 11 hits, or save the Edge to reroll misses and get around 13 hits. Highly unlikely the Assensor will detect you. If you absolutely must, blast anything that sees you with Stunbolt/ball and transform again if necessary. At the perimeter, there will likely be some kind of astral barrier, likely a Ward. That's what Shattershield is for. Use edge here, too, as the Ward can actually be covered by Counterspelling. Once free of the facility, run like hell for cover, changing and morphing as often as necessary to throw the posse off your trail. Nothing is guaranteed, but this will give your GM a run for his money. EDIT: Alternatively, you could materialize as a ream of photocopier paper, and wait a few weeks till the heat is off, screw with a few minds, and then get out. |
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Jun 1 2014, 02:54 PM
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Rogue AI only inhabiting a Drone-Body in the Maat-World.
As long as you have Matrix-Access, you can simply drop the Body then and there and be out of there. |
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Jun 2 2014, 05:32 AM
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 17-May 14 Member No.: 189,452 |
Oh wow, I am getting a bunch of help from you guys. Some of you are listing things I didn't even know were possible in this game. The more I find out about this game, the more eager I am to play every week.
I'm curious to know why you are being 'punished'. Aside from what this might tell me, in the following I assume the GM is fair and plays his NPCs intelligently. I also assume that he knows the rule books well enough to be confident in his ability to counter anything you throw at him. It was actually a joke punishment, the GM couldn't GM the other week, and I told him we would just play without him, so he said "Fine, this is what next session is going to be then!" But knowing the DM, this could very well be a real punishment later. |
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Jun 2 2014, 08:00 AM
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,039 Joined: 23-March 05 From: The heart of Rywfol Emwolb Industries Member No.: 7,216 |
Nah, just be sure to bribe him well with his favourite pizza and soda when he turns up next. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Jun 2 2014, 10:23 AM
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,009 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Paris, France Member No.: 9,466 |
It completely depends on the exact situation, but generally speaking the problem is not to have the right build, but to play it correctly.
On the top of my head: - Physical: Close combat stealthy adept. Try to sneak your way out. If you need, isolate and kill enemies. - Magic: A spirit with Movement and Concealment to get out quickly. A mask spell to pass off as a scared janitor/a HTR team member (better with some Matrix skills to spoof the matrix aspect as well). Influence spell "I'm not the Shadowrunner you're looking for". Or just summon a rating 12 spirit and raise havoc. Shapechange: "who brought his cat in there?" - Social: Pretend you are a janitor, an employee, an hostage, a member of the on-site security... - Hacking: Reroute the HTR team, give them orders 'coming from the top' to stay out of some room or to let someone through. - Drones: You were never there to begin with, only one of your drone was - Planning mastermind: The HTR team is here because YOU called it. It's part of the plan. And then you've got the weird ones: - Free spirit going back to its metaplane - AI that's not actually there - Centaur charging at 450 km/h, or just troll with very high Strength and Body+Armor at 90 km/h - Character who's actually an undercover Ares agent, or the child of a high ranking Ares manager - Blue Whale Shapeshifter: "You're surrounded!" "And you're about to get crushed by a giant blue whale!", or rat shapeshifter for a more discreet option. |
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Jun 2 2014, 04:34 PM
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Old Man of the North ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,405 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
- Blue Whale Shapeshifter: "You're surrounded!" "And you're about to get crushed by a giant blue whale!", (IMG:style_emoticons/default/notworthy.gif) |
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Jun 2 2014, 04:44 PM
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,973 Joined: 4-June 10 Member No.: 18,659 |
Just make a Toxic shaman. You're not locked in there with them, they're locked in there with you and your spirits.
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Jun 2 2014, 04:46 PM
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,039 Joined: 23-March 05 From: The heart of Rywfol Emwolb Industries Member No.: 7,216 |
- Blue Whale Shapeshifter: "You're surrounded!" "And you're about to get crushed by a giant blue whale!", or rat shapeshifter for a more discreet option. *Later on when further Ares backup forces arrive* Whoa, what the hell happened? Looks like a herd of elephants ran through here and why does the whole place stink like sushi? |
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Jun 2 2014, 06:25 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 476 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Fresno, CFS: taking out one durned furriner at a time. Member No.: 5,940 |
I'd agree a Free Spirit is pretty much designed for this escape, but one could also slap on the Deep Cover Quality on to most any character concept; why pretend to be an employee, when you can actually be one?
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Jun 5 2014, 11:06 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
- Blue Whale Shapeshifter: "You're surrounded!" "And you're about to get crushed by a giant blue whale!" Don't forget the small bowl of petunias. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Jun 9 2014, 03:04 PM
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 |
I guess the two ways have been given:
1. Something with concealment and high stealth. So a mage or even a pixie mage. 2. A free spirit and just jump out. I have to say I love the second option for it reminds me of a lot of strategie/RPG games I played, where teleportation is an possibility. My most favorite there would be X3 Terran conflict. Just too cool. You took out your main target and some your shields are down to the last 10-15 % your weapons dry and you just hear "jumping". |
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