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post May 6 2004, 12:53 AM
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Just throwing a question out there to see what kind of fish are biting.
I'm curious to see how others develop their chars. Do you begin with the archtype? Begin with background? Well rounded as opposed to specialized chars? Fill some spaces with "useless" knowledge/active skills? Do you like to develop home-lives for chars? Are home-lives ever brought into the game by GM's out there. In general, I want to know how you do that voodoo that you do. Im done now talk amongst yourselves.
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post May 6 2004, 12:54 AM
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I come up with a loop-hole in the rules, and then design my entire character around exploiting that loop-hole. My attributes are either 6 or 1, and all my skills are at 6. My spells are only at force 1, 5, or 6. My knowledge skills are selected for their ability to add successes in a complementary fashion to an active skill. Then I make up a one-line background for the character if the GM insists. If anyone has a better loop-hole, I call them a munchkin, for I am only a min-maxer ;)
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post May 6 2004, 03:54 AM
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I usually start with a character concept or background and go from there using the build point system. Once I have a basic idea of what I want, I guesstimate how much the equipment I want would cost and toss around attribute and skill levels during dull parts of my classes. When I know almost exactly what I want, I print out new character sheets and spend a couple hours putting everything down and balancing everything within the rules (like making sure that my character can lift his/her basic weapon loadout without fainting.) About then I curse the fact that I am the only person I know who A) is interested in shadowrun, B) has enough time to possibly GM and C) can run a game that doesn't suck. Ah well, school will be out soon...
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post May 6 2004, 04:20 AM
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Sometimes I start with a concept, sometimes an archetype, sometimes a vague idea of what I want to be able to do. I pop up Calculator.app and Textedit.app, set Calculator.app to 128 (or 123 or however many build points I get) and start subtracting.

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post May 6 2004, 04:32 AM
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I wait for OurTeam to post a character somewhere, then I shamelessly steal it :).
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post May 6 2004, 04:40 AM
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It definitely varies. It just depends on where the inspiration comes from really. Although I usually like to get the character and the background worked out before I get down to the numbers. And it's either build points or becks for the numbers.

My preferred tools are similar to Kagetenshi's, although I go for RPN Calculator and BBEdit.
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post May 6 2004, 04:50 AM
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I always start with two things:

1. Race

2. Archtype

After that I spend a great deal of time creating the background for the character. Twenty questions or whatever to get inside his head and see if I can play the character. Then I go to the numbers and fill in the holes. If I see that I am spreading too thin to be effective in the game I back up a little and increase skills/attributes that I plan on using most. I prefer build points but don't have a problem with the priority system. (Never used BECKS.)

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post May 6 2004, 05:12 AM
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QUOTE (Connor)
My preferred tools are similar to Kagetenshi's, although I go for RPN Calculator and BBEdit.

!!!!!!!!Thank you.

I'm not going to switch calculators for Shadowrun chargen, but you just made any future math class I might take much much easier.

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post May 6 2004, 06:34 AM
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I'll come up with a general idea, either being inspired by something I see or read, or filling in a niche that I've noticed, then go to the NSRCG and chug away, usually in sum-to-ten. Then figure out magic type and race next.

If I like how a character turns out, or end up using the character, then I'll go and create the backstory to match the stats. I know, kind of reverse from how it's supposed to be done, but works well enough. I keep a binder with about 60 printed characters in it, about a dozen or so of them have really thought out backstories.
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post May 6 2004, 06:40 AM
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I start with a concept most often, usally something i've seen or read has given me the idea, Then i tweak it. i start answering questions "like why is he/she a shadowrunner" or "why would a team want them to work with them" at this point i've usally got a good idea on basic capabilities as well. from this point i just expand on what i have.

second to last stage is number cruching, last being me going through it again to determine wheather or not it's playable (Some are not no matter how "good" the idea/ concept is)


Example: My recent attempt at a character (Ghoul Cyclops) started on the concept of being "unbreakable" tweaking it was easy, add in effects of the sixth world (metahuman) Stupidly strong (Cyclops) All mostly natural ability (physad) but being "unbreakable" really required bone lacing it finnish it off (ceramic). Why is he a shadowrunner?? cos he can't get a legal job any more. Why? Was a Bouncer (variation on security guard) killed someone by accident. Hunted and hide from the law. During this he got attack by ghoul and was infected.

I fleshed it out from this point, number crunching is proving a little difficult mind....
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post May 6 2004, 06:44 AM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
QUOTE (Connor @ May 5 2004, 11:40 PM)
My preferred tools are similar to Kagetenshi's, although I go for RPN Calculator and BBEdit.

!!!!!!!!Thank you.

I'm not going to switch calculators for Shadowrun chargen, but you just made any future math class I might take much much easier.

~J

Hahah, glad to hear it!

RPN is the only way! And truth be told a regular calculator is fine for SR chargen, I'm just used to using the RPN action...

The guy does have a Windows version on the site if you go back to the main page and didn't notice...
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post May 6 2004, 08:27 AM
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It's funny for me... In WW games, or that other game I have a hellva hard time finding a character in the stats.

But in SR I have about ten concepts or variations of concepts bouncing around in my head at any one time, and almost always have two copies of NSRCG up at any one time.

The sheer amount of developed history, even if it's not somewhat logical at times, is an immense help for me to grab a character outline from.

Usually, I get an idea while reading a sourcebook, and then use Sum to Ten to build.

IMO, normal Priority results in too many metas amongst mundanes, the BP system is a bit too harsh on magic uses (especially aspected), and I disagree with several of the arbitrary values in BeCKS, so my happy medium is the Sum to Ten.

I usually go with Human enless the concept demands otherwise, and it's usually a mage of some sort because most of the people I game with want to play Sammies of some type and we need the support.

Most characters are specialized, one way or another, but knowledge skills are almost all "useless" and are mostly rp hooks for me (cept the Magic Background skill for mages or if I make a decker... damn did Matrix go overboard on the number of knowledge skills required to make a "good" decker).

As far as home lives, yes and no... I do tend to try and get a good idea of it but it doesn't come up too often in game (mostly downtime rping is spent at bars or other dives). Well, until the dos gets blown to smithereenies.

We seem to run across an inordinate amount of people that like to play with explosives, no matter who's running the game that night.
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post May 6 2004, 12:16 PM
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Like Lord Ver'an I'm the only person I know with an interest in SR so it's pretty irrelevant, but...

I pick a general concept and one-liner background ("former anti-terrorism agent", "hermetic") and then quickly answer the "why is he/she running?" question.

I then start putting stuff into my self-designed excel sheet (using build points) (which I keep meaning to post to get someone else to check it), which allows changes to be made easily... until I get something like what I'm after.

I'll then go back and fill in a few more gaps in the history and see if it makes sense. Then I'll change some of the stats until it does make sense. Rinse and repeat.

I find the iterative process the best way rather than starting with pure numbers or a well written background.
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post May 6 2004, 12:21 PM
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I come up with a single sentence or basic concept for the character, like "Elf speed assassin" or "Human detective with no magic or cyber". Then I take the BP for the race/magic needed and subtract that. Then I figure out how much money I'll need and set that aside. Then I assign attributes and skills, fiddling with them until I get them just where I want them within 2 BP (3 if I really need that extra poitn). Then I do edges and flaws as I start coming up with a fleshed-out background explaining the skills, attributes, edges, and flaws to make sure the points are balanced out where I need them to be (getting that extra 2 BP I need or whatever). Then I go on a shopping spree, buting weapons first, then cyber/bio, then other equipment, and finally fake IDs, contacts, and lifestyles. Finally, I try to figure out how to divide the 48 I have left by 10 to get my nuyen I start with, and start writing the fleshed-out backgroun (usually between 1-3 pages).

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post May 6 2004, 12:33 PM
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I'll generally start with a one or two line concept: "Street Sam that was ex-merc and ex-military" for instance. Then I'll go looking for similar characters in canon sources and modules to have an idea of what a character of that type should have for their given background (ie, an ex-soldier would probably have leadership/military, etc.).

Then I start assigning priorities with the big descisions (magic is usually obvious, and resources can be easily narrowed to one or two spots, etc.) Then I'll outline the character's stats, skills, cyber, and/or magic and big gear items. Then it's time to really settle on a race and write a background.

Take said character, write a good long background for him (5k-10k words) and then come back and flesh out the rest of the statistics.

It's worked so far ;)
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post May 6 2004, 12:33 PM
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I start with a vague concept of what I want the character to be, it can be as simple as a single spell or a weapon. Then I try to put numbers to fit that concept, usually I do not need all 123 BPs to fulfill the concept. Then I think of a background, a basic background. Then I assign numbers to fit the background, if I run out of BPs, I go back and tweak that character background. Basically, I start with a skeleton concept then flesh it out, like Xirces says, iteratively.
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post May 6 2004, 01:16 PM
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I usually have a vauge notion of what I want, normally some bizarre theme like "Magical Girl." Other times I'll start with wanting to fill any holes in another team.

From there I'll use whatever system is called for, most often than not that's points. I prefer to play humans but when we're playing priority it's hard to resist going Dwarf or Ork for free when you're not magical.

I do search for applicable complimentary skills when making my characters and rarely have less than 2 for some skill. I also usually go with some B/R skill so my character can do something with the downtime.
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post May 6 2004, 02:59 PM
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For the Mac users here, there is a way to change the new OSX calculator into a full-featured scientific calculator similar to the older style MacOS calculator.

No, I don't know how to do it. I avoid math like d20. However, it should be find-able via the internerd, cause obviously I stumbled across it once.

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post May 6 2004, 06:13 PM
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Go to Calculator.app, hit Get Info, and go to Plugins in the info window. Click Add, then navigate in the Open dialogue into Calculator.app to Contents to Resources and look for Graphing-2D.calcview, ExpressionSheet.calcview, and Hexadecimal.calcview (IIRC). Select them and hit Choose, then make sure they're checked in the Plugins pane. Then restart Calculator.app and check your View menu for the new modes.

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post May 6 2004, 06:46 PM
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post May 6 2004, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE (hunter5150 @ May 5 2004, 06:53 PM)
I'm curious to see how others develop their chars. Do you begin with the archtype? Begin with background? Well rounded as opposed to specialized chars? Fill some spaces with "useless" knowledge/active skills? Do you like to develop home-lives for chars? Are home-lives ever brought into the game by GM's out there. In general, I want to know how you do that voodoo that you do. Im done now talk amongst yourselves.

I almost always start off with some kind of basic concept and go from there. Here's an example of one of my favorite characters and how I developed him. I started off with the following concept:


Ol' Scratch (Johnny Ray Walker) was born and raised on the streets of the City That Elvis Ruined. A satyr who sold his soul to Satan to learn how to play the guitar, he was an up-and-coming blues singer until the night he was celebrating after getting a multi-disc contract with Cerebus Records; it seemed as if his namesake decided it was time to collect his due. After a night of festivities in New Orleans, both he and his fiancee were attacked by a pack of ghouls. Scratch witnessed the murder of his wife and watched as his own arms were ripped off before his very eyes. If it hadn't had been for a patrolling Knight Errant car driving by just as he passed out from the massive blood loss, he would have been in the dead books himself.

To make a long story short, he woke up in a hospital with a pair of cloned arms though he was soon to learn that he couldn't feel the music anymore when he tried to play the guitar. Cerebus Records sued him for breach of contract, and while he was at rock bottom he ended up robbing a liquor store out of desperation. In jail he met a guy who ended up hooking him up in the shadows, and he's been running them ever since.

It's not that he really cares for life anymore, having lost his future bride, but being a devote Catholic suicide was out of the question -- he'd definitely go to Hell for that. He also has to find a way to win his soul back from the devil before he goes down, so he's not even the suicidal type. He's crafty, tough as nails, and charismatic in that piss-you-off-in-a-heartbeat-if-he-wants-to sorta way.


From there, I then decided what type of character I wanted him to be. While technically a "former rocker," those archetypes are usually pretty lame (at least for building a character off of, not in concept). Instead, I decided that I'd focus on his tough-as-nails aspect and make him either a sammy or an adept. Since he was a magician who lost his "gift," I went with the adept.

Now with a solid concept and an idea of what he could do, I went about deciding what kind of skills he had. Music-related ones were at the top of the list, but so were those relating to the streets, gambling, and fighting. Street etiquette and intimidation were also really up there. I wanted his fighting style to be somewhat unique, so I thought about him a bit. Being a satyr, I thought going with a drunken-style would be pretty cool so I jotted down a note to make sure to limit a few of his combat-oriented adept powers to Condition: Intoxicated or something along those lines. Maybe even try and work with the GM to come up with a new martial arts based on the idea (which we did).

With that etched out in my head, I decided on where he would live (a shitty apartment underneath a Fortune Teller shop in Casino Corner) -- a very important aspect of any character for me -- as well as how he would dress and what kind of gear he would likely carry. It was at that point that I started piecing his actual stats together. I'd also spend a few minutes looking through various personality profiles (Meyers-Briggs, Western Zodiacs, Chinese Zodiacs, Ogham Zodiacs, etc.) to piece together a personality template and settle on his birthdate.

As the stats came together, a lot of changes were inspired and comprimises had to be made. But in the end, I wound up with a character I've had a lot of fun with him ever since. I've made minor changes to the concept each time I've had to redesign him for a new game (including one based on a philosophy that he ended up discovering that he sold his soul a second time, this time to the god of chrome and it was interesting having a character where Kid Stealth Legs weren't a retarded choice), but overall the basic personality of the character has remained in tact.

That's pretty much how the process I go through each time I design a character. Every now and then I take a rules-based concept and build something from there, and they usually turn out pretty cool, too. But for me, it's all about the flavor of the character and then reflecting that flavor in his stats.

EDIT: Oh, and before I start work on a character's stats, I usually try to think up a few songs to listen to that'll help me put me in the mood for the character. I almost always come up with some kind of quote (usually a song lyric; in Scratch's case it was the chorus from Sheep Go To Heaven by Cake) for them, too, just to keep me focused.

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post May 7 2004, 02:17 AM
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QUOTE (Xirces)
I then start putting stuff into my self-designed excel sheet (using build points) (which I keep meaning to post to get someone else to check it), which allows changes to be made easily... until I get something like what I'm after..

Got something similar myself, though mine is set up to require book access...

Wanna trade? :D
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I set down my players, pull out the Desert Eagles (airsoft for the table!!) and tell em...NO MORE FREEKS WITH AMNESIA!!! I'M SICK OF IT!!!! :D

Oh me....I start with one of my hundreds of characters I keep in my head...weed out the ones I haven't played or made NPCs and then wait for everyone else to finish so I can fill in group holes....saying that now though, I haven't played in 2 years..only run...
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post May 7 2004, 03:35 AM
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Yeah but amnesia is such a fun way to screw with the characters/players. :)
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post May 7 2004, 05:01 AM
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I start with a very broad concept "magician of <blank> way" or "tough as nails street samurai." From there, I throw in skills and stats that look nice. Then I see how everything works out, get some character ideas "why does he have edged weapons 4?" and continue this process several times until I get a fully fleshed out character and stats that would make him useful.
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