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[hermit]

I have seen a German Wiki lists Colt as a subdivision of Ares here: http://shadowiki.de/Ares_Arms, but as it does not provide any reference as to the source of the information for that particular tidbit it may well be part of the altered German canon or just assumed.

Oh, that reference would be me, going by the SSC.

[Mantis]

Where does it say in the SSC that Ares owns Colt? There are a bunch of different weapon manufacturers featured in the SSC and they aren't all owned by Ares.

[hermit]

Npo, but others are said to have their product featured or some such thing. I'm not saying it's defninite proof, though. More of a vague hint.

[Mantis]

Well as Colt isn't listed as a subsidiary of Ares in the Corporate Guide, I'm going to go with it being its own thing. I'd rather not go with vague hints when several of the other weapon manufacturers are outright stated to be owned by this or that mega-corp.

[hermit]

The listing in the corp guide is far from a complete overview of Ares' canon holdings, though.

[Fatum]

I usually go with Nath's Corporate Index for all my ownership determination needs, and there it's listed as independent.
Haven't seen Nath being wrong yet :ь

[Sendaz]

That is a sweet piece of excel sorting, that will be very handy!

Only downside is the sources listed on the line for Colt are just for the weapons, again nothing is said in those pieces for or against it being owned by another parent company.

But it does seem pretty likely Colt is just Colt or something would have cropped up by now.

[Fatum]

That is a sweet piece of excel sorting, that will be very handy!

Yeah, a few documents like that are referenced from my archive.

[Remnar]

I own a couple Colts... They make a fine 1911.

Oh, Shadowrun, right.

I go with independent on account of the fact that they are listed as their own brand (i.e. Colt Manhunter, Cobra, etc) instead of an Ares. Always was my interpretation.

[hermit]

Independent brand says nothing about the status of a company. Bentley is it's own, independent brand, but really owned by much less glamorous Volkswagen, for instance (as are Lamborghini and Bugatti).

[Sendaz]

Plus in Real world marketing it is not uncommon to find two 'rival' companies are actually both owned by the same parent company which use the supposed rivalry to play on brand loyalty and such.

However, nothing in canon has ever turned up linking Colt to any sort of parent company so odds still favor it being an independent company until shown otherwise.

[Fatum]

Well, seeing as how Ares sells Mostrans Vodnik hovercraft under its own brand in North America, I'd say the brands used are pretty much meaningless, yeah.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Well, seeing as how Ares sells Mostrans Vodnik hovercraft under its own brand in North America, I'd say the brands used are pretty much meaningless, yeah.

There's nothing new about that.

[Sendaz]

*Blows dust off the thread*

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015...s-bankrupt.html

A good time to get your own Firearms company maybe? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Cochise]

*Blows dust off the thread*

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015...s-bankrupt.html

A good time to get your own Firearms company maybe? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

~hmm~ I guess that'd be better than the Chrysler-Nissan -> Daimler-Chrysler-Nissan -> Chrysler-Nissan debacle we saw before ... Unfortunately I do not have enough pocket monies lying around to get me this particular Colt

[Sendaz]

Kickstarter? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Save Colt for SR!!

Okay maybe not....

[Cochise]

Kickstarter? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Save Colt for SR!!

Okay maybe not....

Would most likely end like this endeavor

[Wakshaani]

Yeah, one of those reminders that the small arms industry just ain't that big in the grand scheme of things.

Poor Colt.

[Warlordtheft]

I think it is mentioned in the SR1&2 SSC under the comments section for the M22A2 or M23 in FOF.

[Mantis]

Yeah, one of those reminders that the small arms industry just ain't that big in the grand scheme of things.

Poor Colt.

What? But the Excaliber fiasco nearly destroyed Ares. How can you say the small arms market just doesn't matter that much? All kidding aside, it is kind of sad to see such an old stand by in the arms manufacturing industry die off but then again, if they had kept up with their rivals, this wouldn't have happened.

Warlordtheft, I checked both of those sources you mentioned and Colt isn't listed as a subsidiary of Ares there either. I think people just assumed Colt was owned by Ares without any actual evidence, shadowtalk or otherwise, to back that up. I've seen nothing to say it ever belonged to Ares and so, at least in the SR universe, I think Colt still rolls onward as its own entity.

[Wakshaani]

Colt's ownership, and Weapons World, has a few hiccups. I think a few writers back in the day didn't talk to one another enough, so you wound up getting several different answers. When we run into that, we try and unravel it as best we can. Usually "Well, it was earned by X, then sol doff to Y" is enough to fix it, but sometimes not so much.

Continuity! It matters, dammit.

[Sendaz]

Continuity! It matters, dammit.

Let's not open that particular can o worms please. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

As for Colt, maybe a shakeup like this might help kickdstart them in a new direction, whether more custom work weapons or something.

[Nath]

Colt's ownership, and Weapons World, has a few hiccups. I think a few writers back in the day didn't talk to one another enough, so you wound up getting several different answers. When we run into that, we try and unravel it as best we can. Usually "Well, it was earned by X, then sol doff to Y" is enough to fix it, but sometimes not so much.

That is right regarding Wapons World.

But I maintain, and will as long as someone actually provides a title and a page number (which as I said, never happened on Dumpshock or the official forum in the past 15 years), that there never was any mention of Colt ownership at all, let alone several mentions that would contradict each other. The point simply never has been addressed.

[Wounded Ronin]

*Blows dust off the thread*

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015...s-bankrupt.html

A good time to get your own Firearms company maybe? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Considering how actual Colt ARs and 1911s were basically expensive but no better than off brand versions, I am not surprised that they are having a problem.

And LOL at how the article mentions how 1911s are unreliable. I have a 1911 and I love it and have used it in sporting competitions but I got a Glock for self defense precisely because of reliability. At the end of the day I just didn't trust my life to my 1911 knowing that it had like a 2% chance of developing a stoppage every time I pulled the trigger.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Considering how actual Colt ARs and 1911s were basically expensive but no better than off brand versions, I am not surprised that they are having a problem.

And LOL at how the article mentions how 1911s are unreliable. I have a 1911 and I love it and have used it in sporting competitions but I got a Glock for self defense precisely because of reliability. At the end of the day I just didn't trust my life to my 1911 knowing that it had like a 2% chance of developing a stoppage every time I pulled the trigger.

You know... it's funny, I shot a 1911 for well over a decade, and never had a single stoppage, ever. Wish I still owned that gun... to bad it was stolen along with most of my other ones.