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[Blade]

so, like i said... i'm sure, sooner or later, they'll have a version with a geas that forces you to be dual natured all the time or something stupid like that, but gives you an actual dice pool bonus. it's not that hard to get a nice bonus to your actions... all you have to do is have absolutely no security awareness whatsoever.

You forgot that "everything has a price" means "everything that's not magic has a price". Nanotech turns into goo, cyber opens you to hacking and lowers your social limit, but nothing's ever wrong with magic (except for magical threats, but that's for NPC and you're actually more at risk if you're not awakened than if you are).

...And all the Mary Sues are Awakened.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

You forgot that "everything has a price" means "everything that's not magic has a price". Nanotech turns into goo, cyber opens you to hacking and lowers your social limit, but nothing's ever wrong with magic (except for magical threats, but that's for NPC and you're actually more at risk if you're not awakened than if you are).

...And all the Mary Sues are Awakened.

Ghost Who Walks wasn't awakened (don't think, could be wrong)... Nor was Kham. Neither is Damien Knight, Fastjack, Bull, or Slam-0! So, no, not all the Mary Sues are Awakened. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Jaid]

i wouldn't call kham a mary sue. he's experienced setbacks.

for example, in the first secrets of power novel, iirc he gets KO'd in one of the fights. therefore, he can't be a mary sue, because a mary sue would have noticed the attack, responded, and defeated the enemy (hint: Ghost did just that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) )

fastjack got mind controlled by matrix ghosts. pretty sure that means he lost his mary sue status (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

don't know enough about bull to say, but I can't say there's anything I've seen about slamm-o! that suggests mary sue status.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

i wouldn't call kham a mary sue. he's experienced setbacks.

for example, in the first secrets of power novel, iirc he gets KO'd in one of the fights. therefore, he can't be a mary sue, because a mary sue would have noticed the attack, responded, and defeated the enemy (hint: Ghost did just that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) )

fastjack got mind controlled by matrix ghosts. pretty sure that means he lost his mary sue status (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

don't know enough about bull to say, but I can't say there's anything I've seen about slamm-o! that suggests mary sue status.

Plenty of Mary Sues suffer setbacks. Look at Drizzt and Company (in Dnd) and Harry Dresden (Dresden Files).

[Jaid]

name a fight that drizzt lost.

(excluding people who figured out glitches to kill him in Baldur's gate video games)

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

name a fight that drizzt lost.

(excluding people who figured out glitches to kill him in Baldur's gate video games)

He was captured by his family at least once...
He was beaten by the quickling once (briefly)...
Had to team with Artemis Entreri at another time to escape a situation.
There were a few times. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Did not know he was in the Video Game.

But I would not consider just Drizzt to be a Mary Sue in his group of companions... THEY ALL were Mary Sues... and they all got beaten more than once. Some more soundly than others. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[binarywraith]

Yeah, but he was captured by his family specifically so he could angst more over his dad getting dead. Pure Sue.

As far as SR goes, I think the worst is some of the guys in the Street Legends book. Their stats really don't back up their reputations. Except Harlequin, but he's not so much a Mary Sue as exactly what he appears to be, no matter how improbable.

[Glyph]

Not every powerful or heroic character is a Mary Sue. You need to look at the genre. If it's an action adventure, then yeah, the hero is probably going to kick some ass. Mary Sue traits come in when the hero kicks ass effortlessly, when he wallows in guilt over things that aren't his fault, when his buddies are yes-men and his enemies are straw men, and when he has special snowflake qualities above and beyond the norm for the environment (a superhuman killing machine who can also sneak, bluff, and change the oil in his car in not necessarily a Mary Sue in a Shadowrun book; if he has an ally spirit that takes the form of a motorcycle, then maaaybe).

[binarywraith]

Yeah, it's why I don't count Harls. He is a flawed individual who rarely gets entirely what he wants, despite his personal power.

[Cain]

Not every powerful or heroic character is a Mary Sue. You need to look at the genre. If it's an action adventure, then yeah, the hero is probably going to kick some ass. Mary Sue traits come in when the hero kicks ass effortlessly, when he wallows in guilt over things that aren't his fault, when his buddies are yes-men and his enemies are straw men, and when he has special snowflake qualities above and beyond the norm for the environment (a superhuman killing machine who can also sneak, bluff, and change the oil in his car in not necessarily a Mary Sue in a Shadowrun book; if he has an ally spirit that takes the form of a motorcycle, then maaaybe).

Sorta. It's also a Mary Sue when he does face challenges, but develops new tricks out of the blue to deal with them. Superman is the archetypical Mary Sue; even if you face him with Kryptonite, it'll only hold him off until he either displays a new power/comes up with a clever use of existing ones and then blows away the challenge.

[Sengir]

(except for magical threats, but that's for NPC and you're actually more at risk if you're not awakened than if you are).

Tell that someone with Dual Natured (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)