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[Stahlseele]

http://www.pascaleggert.de/ThorA1.html

The THOR A1 is a weapon like no other. It holds 50 rounds of 5.56x45mm and delivers the punch of a rifle in the dimensions of a PDW. With the simple press of a button the THOR brings buttstock and foregrip into firing position and delivers 100% CRISAT body armor penetration.

All this is possible due to an innovative new layout, enabled by the "cMAG", a magazine that's curved around the pistolgrip and the "Hammer of THOR", a bolt that moves up and down to reduce recoil and increase the rate of fire.

The THOR A1 can be carried in a holster like a big pistol and quickly drawn and used in CQB. For more stability the springloaded buttstock and foregrip can be opened with the press of a single button.

Both opened or closed, the THOR's innovative cMag can be reloaded quickly with the non-firing hand. All controls, including the bolt catch, magazine release, safety switch and charging handle are ambidextrous and easy to reach.

The keytechnology enabling 50 rounds of 5.56x45 in PDW size is the cMAG. It's made from translucent polymer and positioned around the firing hand. The cartridges are stored in two rows with the last round being rotated 90° into feed position by a helical ramp. Not only is this layout extremly space efficent, it also offers a great weight-balance.

The THOR combines a high RPM with high capacity, demanding and effective cooling system for the barrel and action. To achieve effective cooling the upper receiver is designed to work like an air-pump, moving air, through the weapon from front to back.

he THOR's polymer body can be painted in every color and texture requested. With the use of a few simple tools the THOR can even be striped and painted in the field.

We always have a huge selection of basic colors and camos in stock and are more than happy to help you with custom requests. Here is a small selection of our work.

The THOR wouldn't be possiblewithout the innovations on the inside. The upper receiver splits up to give you access to all internals. No screws or springs come loose, the THOR is designed the be 100% maintained in the field.

Most internal parts can be removed without any tools for cleaning and servicing. Cleaning utilities can be stored in the buttstock by removing the back plate.

The top side of the receiver features an uninterrupted Picatinny-type accessory rail for sight mountings. Included with the basic configuration of the THOR are two low profile Magpul MBUS PTS flip up iron sights

Additionally a custom designed silencer with integrated rails on the 6 o´clock position is available, for mounting flashlights, lasers or even grenade launchers, if you want to go in silently but leave with a bang.

Interesting concept/design

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Looks awesome indeed... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Sadly I will never own one, except for maybe the Shadowrun conversion... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Probably expensive as all hell.
And typically german overengineered to hell and back.
The maker is located not that far from where i am sitting right now actually surprisingly O.o

Also available:
http://www.pascaleggert.de/EPIC_overview.html
Assault Rifle

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

No Doubt.
Nothing wrong with over-engineering, as long as it is simple to maintain. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Don't care for the Epic, personally, and I have a hard time buying their claims for it.

[Stahlseele]

Have you clicked on the links on the bottom?
For the Scope etc?
SOUNDS pretty damn impressive.

[Kyrel]

Sounds nice. Would have been nice with some video of one actually shooting and proving what they claim.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Have you clicked on the links on the bottom?
For the Scope etc?
SOUNDS pretty damn impressive.

Sounds nice Indeed... Proof would be better. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
And how do you PROVE that someone was not really aiming in an add? Even video is somewhat suspect in those kinds of claims.

[hermit]

Oh my, it's the Glock Drachentoeter.

I wonder how this will ever fit in a holster. Probably not, but maybe something special? TJ? Since you know guns and stuf?

[binarywraith]

5.56 out of a short barreled pistol-format weapon with what amounts to a thumbhole stock and vertical as well as horizontal recoil? No thank you. That thing would be murder to keep on target without the stock, and with the stock you might as well be using an actual sub-gun.

I'd also be very suspicious of how well that loading mechanism will hold up to use and fouling. The P90 uses something similar, and has failure-to-feed issues if it isn't kept reasonably clean.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Oh my, it's the Glock Drachentoeter.

I wonder how this will ever fit in a holster. Probably not, but maybe something special? TJ? Since you know guns and stuf?

Traditional Holster - Not seeing it, really.
A hardside Pouch of some kind, maybe. It is awful big looking, though.

[binarywraith]

Better question is how you carry a reload. Those bigass C-shaped magazines would be awkward as hell to carry. When you figure the 5.56 round is two and a quarter inches long by itself, that mag has to be at least an 8" diameter 3/4 circle.

[ShadowDragon8685]

I suspect that this is something that would work out better in a video game than in real life.

Like, to the tune of actually being functional in a video game, as opposed to not, in real life.



Still, I'd be interested to see some actual live-fire trials for this beast, if there's any prototypes actually built.

[binarywraith]

Only if they're filmed. I want to see the first guy who tries firing it disarm himself in realtime. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Better question is how you carry a reload. Those bigass C-shaped magazines would be awkward as hell to carry. When you figure the 5.56 round is two and a quarter inches long by itself, that mag has to be at least an 8" diameter 3/4 circle.

No Doubt... Carrying standard 5.56 Mags was tedious enough, and the 200 round Drum for the M249 SAW was unwieldy as hell... This has got to be a nightmare.

[Fatum]

The P90 uses something similar, and has failure-to-feed issues if it isn't kept reasonably clean.

The AK does, too :ь

[binarywraith]

I think you and I have different versions of 'reasonably clean'. I've fired an AK that was dripping melting cosmolene after the second magazine and not gotten it to fail to load. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I think you and I have different versions of 'reasonably clean'. I've fired an AK that was dripping melting cosmolene after the second magazine and not gotten it to fail to load. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Too Right... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[KarmaInferno]

Guys, it's an artist concept design. Does not exist in real life.

Heck, I'm not certain the artist has any real weapons engineering credentials.

He even put the front flip up sight on backwards.

The bolt design isn't anything new either, the KRISS Vector SMG was using it five years ago.



-k

[AKWeaponsSpecial...]

Heck, I'm not certain the artist has any real weapons engineering credentials.

In his About Me page, he states that he's a graphics designer for Crytec, and lists among his achievements: Drinking a beer to Chariots of Fire, accidentally going to New York, blowing up a tent, and writing a terrible novel. An engineer, this guy ain't.

[Fatum]

I think you and I have different versions of 'reasonably clean'. I've fired an AK that was dripping melting cosmolene after the second magazine and not gotten it to fail to load. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Just get some dirt into the magazine itself. There's been quite a bit of whining on the Russian imageboards from the folks shooting looted weapons: the magazines reclaimed from the dirt and not cleaned right are said to fail to feed a new bullet at the most unfortunate of times.

[ShadowDragon8685]

I just realized something really shitty about the THOR. It's designed for forced air cooling by pumping air in through the cowling, around the barrel and mechanism, and out through vents at the back... Right into the shooter's eyeball.


It's like that shotgun in Gun Heaven 2. This is what happens when you let the industrial artist have control over the design process. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Now that you mention it . . yeah THAT should be done the other way around <.<

[binarywraith]

Just get some dirt into the magazine itself. There's been quite a bit of whining on the Russian imageboards from the folks shooting looted weapons: the magazines reclaimed from the dirt and not cleaned right are said to fail to feed a new bullet at the most unfortunate of times.

Huh. Never had that problem, even with old combloc Romanian surplus mags. I mean, you'd have to have enough crap in there to jam the follower, and given how strong the springs in most AK mags are, I'd expect a rock or something.

[Koekepan]

I took a good look at the claims, and I'm assuming that the site is supposed to be real (as opposed to a designer's fantasy).

I call BS on the design claims.

The barrel appears to be no longer than 6 inches (15cm). There is no barrel length listed on the site under the technical specifications, which is an immediate red flag - barrel length, rifling type and rifling twist should always be listed because of the influence they have on internal ballistics. Total length (folded) is claimed to be 43cm (or so) which I assume includes the magazine. That's about one foot, five inches. Even assuming the barrel is half that length (it isn't, by the pictures; more like a third of the length) that's under nine inches. The claimed muzzle velocity is 820 m/s, which translates in american to around 2730fps.

What the hell are they doing with 5.56 to get over 2,700fps out of a pistol barrel with rifle speed powder? The M4 with a barrel over a foot can top that speed (though not by a whole bunch) but under 10 inches of barrel? Realistically, more like 6 if you count the fitting, and not the so-called custom silencer?

Now if you are a custom reloader, and you know your powders, and you have lots of opportunity to experiment, and you don't blow up your gun, you might be able to use a pistol type powder to get that kind of performance but I'd want to see chronometer figures from an independent reviewer.

The basic idea behind the magazine doesn't wow me, but it doesn't scare me. Still, it seems impractical because to reload while in shouldered position, you'd need to take the weapon off your shoulder which is not what you want in a PDW. Why not? Because if you're using a PDW it's because some very bad people are behind your lines and are tangling with a bunch of rear echelon suckers like you. This is not the time to have anything slowing you down even by half a second.

A further complaint is that it doesn't look like much of a rugged thing in your hand when it jams and a bad boy with an attitude jumps through the window. At least your basic 1911 makes a halfway decent club (and for some kinds of jams, smacking it against things is just what the doctor ordered).

I'd rather have this: http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rfb/rifle/ with a mounted bayonet and a decent sling. Harder punch, more rugged design, and still small enough to carry through a tank's hatch when you really need to.

[Koekepan]

Oh my, it's the Glock Drachentoeter.

I wonder how this will ever fit in a holster. Probably not, but maybe something special? TJ? Since you know guns and stuf?

You might have a sort of bag for it - but if this thing is real I'd anticipate more of a clip mounted thing which could attach to a belt rig of some sort, rather than a holster which covers it all up.