IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Koekepan
post Jan 15 2015, 08:42 PM
Post #1


Neophyte Runner
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 2,357
Joined: 19-May 12
From: Seattle area
Member No.: 52,483



A lot of the discussion around SINs was concerned with the implications of a panopticon for the viability of shadowrunning. As a throwaway remark, I suggested starting with the first VITAS in 1918, and setting the world in 1938, or similar. Might even be 1958. The more I think about this, the more potential it has. Let's start a good, old-fashioned, two-fisted, tuxedo-and-trenchcoat Dumpshock brawl on what the rules for that might look like.

Obviously, computing and the Matrix become ... well, not nullified, but greatly reduced in relevance. No ASIST, no VR, no cyberware, substantially more limited health care. So what are we left with, so that we don't end up with Magicrun?

We can start by thinking of some of the nicer ideas from Earthdawn. But we can also put our own spins on various things.

For instance, Essence would have vastly reduced relevance, if we even bothered with it. People just aren't putting any metal more sophisticated than an earring in their bodies.

Information is deeply valuable, as always, but now the blueprints you're stealing are real, a list of employees might (if it exists at all) exist as punched cards or paper tape - or quite simply a filing cabinet. Stealing a ribbon out of a typewriter would be useful because you can read off the imprints on the used tape what was last typed on it. However, you don't have a virtual fugue state - information media are highly physical.

To prevent the utter domination of magicians, it's not necessary to prevent magicians from existing, but there are a few limiting ideas.

For instance, one can have a slower, more cerebral practice of magic. Rather than snapping your fingers and tossing off fireballs at a moment's notice, make it take longer, be harder, or benefit so substantially from preparation of formulae that impromptu magic is largely useless for doing more than lighting another cigarette while you turn up the collar of your trenchcoat against the rain. This means that when the shit hits the fan, the thug with the tommygun pretty much reliably wins against any but the most carefully prepared magicians.

Another thing would be to make a broader population actually sensitive to the existence or manifestation of magic. They mightn't be able to do much about it, but they can all see it, so it's not a secret invisible power which suddenly erupts in fireballs.

Another idea is to give lots of people minor talents - basically their own party tricks. Some might be utilitarian - like mending rips in fabric. Some might be decorative - instant cosmetics! Some might be vaguely combat useful - magic skunk spray!

Another idea is to open the doors to negotiation with spirits to anyone. Anyone who isn't magicblind (which would now be a meaningful flaw) would be able to try talking to a spirit and negotiating with it to get something done. For example, Mick the Bruiser might ask the domestic spirit of a neglected building to please unlock the front door, and promises in return to wash the windows. Of course, he might be lying which might result in all sorts of bad karma coming down on his head... for those with a historical bent, a relationship of negotiation with mystic forces was typical of pre-christian european religions, so there's a wealth of material to draw on.

Another idea might be that, given sufficient knowledge, mundanes might be able to manipulate magic. By analogy, completely colourblind people can blend paints if they have a list and suitable annotations. If Ida the Femme Fatale knows enough about magic she might be able to arrange a few ingredients from a herb garden into a magic ward which, smeared on the doorjamb, will wake her up if the door opens, giving her enough time to grab a pistol and prepare to defend herself. Would she be on a par with Boxcar Billy, moonshine-fueled visionary and itinerant alchemist? No, but it would be useful nonetheless.

What I like about the ideas of letting everyone taste just a little mystic power is that it shows a deep-seated change in everyday life.

There is also huge potential for examining the results of the social turmoil. The Roaring Twenties crash hard as more and more ugly things happen, Europe is a mess, Russia is coming to terms with ideological madness, and colonialism is still alive and (comparatively) well.

Let's hear your thoughts.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic
- Koekepan   Dieselpunk Shadows   Jan 15 2015, 08:42 PM
- - Sendaz   It is an interesting idea though I would not rule ...   Jan 15 2015, 08:48 PM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Jan 15 2015, 11:48 PM) It...   Jan 15 2015, 09:21 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   This is an intriguingly interesting idea...   Jan 15 2015, 09:33 PM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jan 16 2015, 12...   Jan 15 2015, 09:42 PM
- - Koekepan   How is it that my old scar twitches whenever troub...   Jan 15 2015, 10:48 PM
- - Koekepan   Dieselrun magic (a thought sketch) Overview: The...   Jan 16 2015, 01:31 AM
- - nezumi   Fudging the dates helps a good deal. In the 1930s ...   Jan 16 2015, 02:25 AM
- - Koekepan   Decker functions largely don't apply in the sa...   Jan 16 2015, 02:39 AM
- - Koekepan   Some observations on the probable tone of Dieselru...   Jan 16 2015, 06:59 PM
- - Koekepan   What about currency? This is an interesting perio...   Jan 16 2015, 10:27 PM
- - Sendaz   One thought is when does the awakening happen? In...   Jan 16 2015, 11:34 PM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Jan 17 2015, 02:34 AM) On...   Jan 17 2015, 12:46 AM
|- - Sendaz   I admit I liked the earlier kick off as it allows ...   Jan 17 2015, 02:40 AM
- - Koekepan   OK, Sendaz is camping out in North America. I don...   Jan 17 2015, 02:07 AM
- - Koekepan   I think we should take a long, hard look at rewrit...   Jan 17 2015, 03:11 AM
- - Koekepan   I'm going through the histories of african nat...   Jan 17 2015, 05:51 AM
- - Koekepan   I have started to work on the outlook for Africa, ...   Jan 17 2015, 08:23 AM
- - Koekepan   While I was looking things up, I stumbled across a...   Jan 17 2015, 08:07 PM
- - Koekepan   So here's my summary fluff on Africa: The whi...   Jan 17 2015, 11:19 PM
- - Koekepan   Things weren't going well. We'd slipped i...   Jan 18 2015, 01:10 AM
- - Koekepan   So I've gone nuts and I'm adapting rules f...   Jan 18 2015, 06:22 PM
- - Koekepan   Any one of the Great Dragons of Dumpshock: It occ...   Jan 19 2015, 03:49 AM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   No, Leave it in the Shadowrun Community pages... ...   Jan 19 2015, 02:26 PM
- - Bertramn   Well, setting it in the past does not lend itself ...   Jan 19 2015, 03:29 PM
- - Koekepan   Style-wise, I completely agree. Pink mohawk games...   Jan 19 2015, 04:24 PM
- - Bertramn   Consult my thread on the dice mechanic, if you are...   Jan 19 2015, 04:40 PM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (Bertramn @ Jan 19 2015, 07:40 PM) ...   Jan 19 2015, 04:51 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   No worries, it is looking good so far.   Jan 19 2015, 06:37 PM
- - Koekepan   Things that don't need to change in Dieselrun,...   Jan 19 2015, 09:07 PM
- - nezumi   Time for the Order of the Golden Dawn and the Ordo...   Jan 20 2015, 03:27 PM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (nezumi @ Jan 20 2015, 06:27 PM) Ti...   Jan 20 2015, 05:47 PM
- - Koekepan   I took another look at various sources on VITAS. ...   Jan 25 2015, 05:06 AM
|- - Rad   Okay, as a big pulp/noir fan, I love the hell out ...   Feb 1 2015, 10:13 PM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (Rad @ Feb 2 2015, 12:13 AM) Koekep...   Feb 2 2015, 03:38 AM
- - Koekepan   OK, I've been doing more thinking... Don...   Jan 25 2015, 06:45 AM
- - nezumi   On the other hand, in a young nation like the US, ...   Jan 26 2015, 12:27 PM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (nezumi @ Jan 26 2015, 03:27 PM) On...   Jan 26 2015, 04:21 PM
- - nezumi   Rule of Six doesn't come up often enough to ma...   Jan 26 2015, 08:13 PM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (nezumi @ Jan 26 2015, 11:13 PM) Ru...   Jan 26 2015, 11:43 PM
- - Koekepan   I'm working on a new theory, foreshadowed a co...   Jan 27 2015, 01:30 AM
- - nezumi   I think it's important to also consider here; ...   Jan 27 2015, 05:03 PM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (nezumi @ Jan 27 2015, 08:03 PM) I ...   Jan 28 2015, 05:09 AM
- - Koekepan   All right, this isn't quite the way I'd or...   Jan 29 2015, 11:07 PM
- - Koekepan   OK, so we have draconic feudal dictators running m...   Feb 1 2015, 04:57 AM
- - nezumi   I do think VITAS will need a longer dormancy perio...   Feb 2 2015, 02:52 PM
- - Koekepan   I see your point on VITAS. However, I will propos...   Feb 3 2015, 04:05 AM
- - nezumi   That is a good point. I'm used to thinking of ...   Feb 3 2015, 04:17 PM
- - Fastball   I like the idea of the world recently awakening. I...   Feb 3 2015, 06:31 PM
- - Sendaz   For magic one could go adding a time factor, we c...   Feb 3 2015, 07:52 PM
- - Koekepan   Answering Fastball and Sendaz in one: Fastball, t...   Feb 4 2015, 06:44 AM
- - Sendaz   I agree, that was just a kick off idea, it still n...   Feb 4 2015, 08:52 AM
- - Shortstraw   Going to get huge DBZ flashbacks whenever a couple...   Feb 4 2015, 09:28 AM
- - Sendaz   Well if the mage is silly enough to yell KAAAAAAAA...   Feb 4 2015, 11:44 AM
- - Koekepan   "Oh no, his power level is over nine thousand...   Feb 4 2015, 05:36 PM
- - Koekepan   I spent my time in the militia, like pretty much a...   Feb 6 2015, 05:27 AM
- - Koekepan   Sorry folks, I know it's been a while, but I...   Mar 17 2015, 04:26 AM
- - Rad   Hmm, I like the idea that in order to do something...   Mar 19 2015, 04:03 AM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (Rad @ Mar 19 2015, 06:03 AM) Hmm, ...   Mar 19 2015, 03:16 PM
- - Koekepan   Replacement for Essence: Devotion. Instead of the...   Mar 20 2015, 05:28 AM
- - Koekepan   Shamanism The guiding principle of shamanism is a...   Mar 20 2015, 04:53 PM
- - Koekepan   Dieselpunk magic system. OK, this is the biggie a...   Apr 8 2015, 06:00 PM
- - Koekepan   Quick footnote on the topic of mundanes and counte...   Apr 8 2015, 06:16 PM
- - Betx   re: the fundamentals of magic QUOTE (Koekepan ...   Apr 8 2015, 09:24 PM
- - Betx   re: dragon domination The greatest threat to drag...   Apr 8 2015, 09:34 PM
- - Betx   re: VITAS death rates Does VITAS have to have beh...   Apr 8 2015, 09:36 PM
- - Betx   re: orichalcum One thought that occured to me was...   Apr 8 2015, 09:45 PM
- - Koekepan   Yay! At least one person is reading! ...   Apr 8 2015, 11:19 PM
- - Betx   Read your response....on my smart phone, which I d...   Apr 8 2015, 11:42 PM
- - Koekepan   It strikes me that a quick postscript might be app...   Apr 8 2015, 11:44 PM
- - Betx   Actually the thing I love most about setting in th...   Apr 9 2015, 10:16 PM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (Betx @ Apr 10 2015, 12:16 AM) Actu...   Apr 9 2015, 11:50 PM
- - Koekepan   Process for preparing a spell for later use: Hav...   Apr 12 2015, 09:08 PM
|- - Sendaz   Been away so still catching up on all bits. A tho...   Apr 27 2015, 10:14 AM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (Sendaz @ Apr 27 2015, 12:14 PM) A ...   Apr 27 2015, 05:05 PM
|- - Betx   QUOTE (Koekepan @ Apr 27 2015, 05:05 PM) ...   Apr 27 2015, 05:42 PM
- - Koekepan   Watchers: Watchers are spirits of the magician. ...   Apr 12 2015, 09:19 PM
- - Koekepan   So, we have sorcery, we have summoning, we have as...   Apr 27 2015, 08:28 PM
- - Koekepan   Alternative background vision. Basic outline [*] ...   Nov 2 2015, 05:36 AM
- - Koekepan   We huddled against the warm side of the train. We...   Nov 3 2015, 06:10 AM
- - Koekepan   Kenneth looked across the table at Mister Johnson....   Nov 4 2015, 03:32 AM
- - Betx   I love your thoughts on these settings. As usuall...   Nov 4 2015, 09:58 PM
|- - Koekepan   QUOTE (Betx @ Nov 4 2015, 11:58 PM) - Jet...   Nov 5 2015, 06:03 AM
- - Koekepan   Clarence had had just about enough. He had listen...   Nov 5 2015, 07:30 PM
- - Koekepan   Alexander was a strange old man. The stories abou...   Nov 6 2015, 05:23 PM
- - Koekepan   "All right, boys, grab your coffee mugs and s...   Nov 6 2015, 10:40 PM
- - Koekepan   Behold the power of thread necro! I've be...   May 17 2019, 11:07 PM


Reply to this topicStart new topic

 

RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 15th August 2025 - 11:45 AM

Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.