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[Voran]

So, its been about 2 years since I've been here. Basically around the time when 5th came out. So I have to ask what's the state of the game? When I do a quick bookcheck, it looks like we're around...8ish books not including corebook revisions. Then I compare that to the couple dozen of the 4th edition I still seem to have (plus the couple dozen more of 3rd edition I have, and...hell I still have some old 1st and 2nd edition things). Can we anticipate the same level of sourcebook expansion as previous versions, or are things kind of winding down in light of focus on the MMO and other things? ...board game?

[Medicineman]

there are the BBB (Big Basic Book aka Basic Rulesbook)
the Run & Gun
the Street Grimoire
and Runners Companion
4 Core Books.
Missing still are :
Matrix Book
Rigger Book
Cyberware Book
!
Additionally there are lots (and lots ) of PDF Rules-Add-ons, advanced Fiction ,etc.
( which I don't consider Books at all )

Can we anticipate the same level of sourcebook expansion as previous versions,

Yes ,maybe even more because CGL seems to like adding content (which rightfully belongs into Books ) in additional PDFs
to get an extra $ that fact delays the Printing of the core Rulebooks
So maybe in 2 Years (estimated) we'll have als SR5 Core Rulesbooks
and then (I guess) CGL will recycle the SR4A Citybooks and all the "old " SR4A Material and convert them to SR5 PDFs
(and maybe but just maybe into Books too)

with more dance than last Year
Medicineman

[binarywraith]

Don't forget that the books being published over those two years have continued to have absolutely terrible editing and proofing, so despite the glacial release schedule the quality of content hasn't really gone up either.

[Voran]

But at least we'll have a Rigger book soon right?






...right?
I mean, Rigger 3 couldn't have been the last one...right?


/crickets

[Jaid]

But at least we'll have a Rigger book soon right?






...right?
I mean, Rigger 3 couldn't have been the last one...right?


/crickets

of course it wouldn't have been the last one, don't be silly.

a quick google search leads me to believe that if i the drivethrurpg site was alive, this would be a link to rigger 4 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(there is also another site that claims to have a PDF of rigger 4, but i'm somewhat less willing to click on random sites that i don't recognize... feel free to google it if you want).

(note: as i recall, rigger 4 was actually an april fool's joke, but it does actually exist... i mean, you can't end an edition of shadowrun without first sending out the herald of the end times, aka the rigger book (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

[Glyph]

But at least we'll have a Rigger book soon right?






...right?
I mean, Rigger 3 couldn't have been the last one...right?


/crickets

I will not consider SR5 a complete game until they put out Rigger 5, with the SR5 stats for the Amish war buggy.

[Voran]

I feel silly, but I just now caught up on "Where the fuck is the nanotech and genetech." I thought it was just lazy writing that left it out of the book, turns out its...."Um we're going to do a big retcon. Ignore all that material we had you buy before. Irrelevant!"

[bannockburn]

I feel silly, but I just now caught up on "Where the fuck is the nanotech and genetech." I thought it was just lazy writing that left it out of the book, turns out its...."Um we're going to do a big retcon. Ignore all that material we had you buy before. Irrelevant!"

Nah. Not completely. They just didn't get around to bringing out a dedicated cyber core rulebook yet. For ... you know, a cyberpunk roleplaying game.
It's not like genetech and nanotech were in the basic rules before, but that's one of my pet peeves: bringing out magic and gear books before the cyber stuff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[Medicineman]

and don't forget Nanotech is "Schmutz" in SR5 now (don't touch it)

He who won't dance with Sybil
Medicineman

[Voran]

Yeah, it almost feels like a, "Hey, any nano/genemod char you made back in our other edition? HAHA Screw You, he's probably a multiple personality NPC now!"

[Medicineman]

and , to be honest,
the more CGL is against using Nanoware, the more I am inclined to use it, even if its just as Fluff (one of my SR5 Chars is using Nanotatoos purely for the style )

with a resistence Dance
Medicineman

[Voran]

And I see that Clockwork is still alive. Yaaaaaaaaaaay.

/sarcasm off

[tsuyoshikentsu]

Clockwork being alive is a plus for me, actually. If they killed him they'd just need to create a carbon copy of him, and frankly, I feel about him the same way I do about the Yankees. (I despise him, but damnit, I want to keep him around so I can keep despising him!)

I really wish they'd write good rules for nanoware if for no other reason than if they did, this would make Shadowrun the best Deus Ex system ever. >.>

[Medicineman]

I really wish they'd write good rules for nanoware if for no other reason than if they did, this would make Shadowrun the best Deus Ex system ever. >.>

...oO (If you want done something right, do it Yourself) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

He who dances himself
Medicineman

[Sengir]

Yeah, it almost feels like a, "Hey, any nano/genemod char you made back in our other edition? HAHA Screw You, he's probably a multiple personality NPC now!"

Not really, unless the PC in question had direct contact with a head case. In which case even uninfected persons are not safe.

[Voran]

Unless its been handwaved, wouldn't it make sense that this would actually be an excellent time to jailbreak your nanoforge and get feedstocks for dirt cheap or otherwise sitting unattended in some storage somewhere?

[binarywraith]

Unless its been handwaved, wouldn't it make sense that this would actually be an excellent time to jailbreak your nanoforge and get feedstocks for dirt cheap or otherwise sitting unattended in some storage somewhere?

You're doing that thing where you apply common sense to the SR5 rules. Down that path lies naught but biofeedback, brainbleeds, and NERPS.

I assume the nanoforges are Lost Tech ala 40k, just like PANs, TacNets, and fiber optic cable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Fatum]

Not really, unless the PC in question had direct contact with a head case. In which case even uninfected persons are not safe.

If I remember, even touching the same stuff a headcase touched is an attack vector.

[Voran]

You're doing that thing where you apply common sense to the SR5 rules. Down that path lies naught but biofeedback, brainbleeds, and NERPS.

I assume the nanoforges are Lost Tech ala 40k, just like PANs, TacNets, and fiber optic cable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Don't rain on my parade (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I need to reconcile having practically every book since 1st edition. Otherwise the money sink/waste will make me cry (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Glyph]

Yeah, it's a bit infuriating. Sci-fi tech should not go backwards to appease the grognards. All of this crap they've pulled with genetech and nanotech just seems stupidly contrived, an excuse to get rid of it.

[Shortstraw]

I assume the nanoforges are Lost Tech ala 40k, just like PANs, TacNets, and fiber optic cable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

They should check under the sofa cushions.

[binarywraith]

Yeah, it's a bit infuriating. Sci-fi tech should not go backwards to appease the grognards. All of this crap they've pulled with genetech and nanotech just seems stupidly contrived, an excuse to get rid of it.

It's less to appease the grognards and more to appease the sudden realization that they jumped the shark into what should shortly become post-scarcity transhumanism and needed to backpedal or accept that they've switched genres. If they intended to stay grimy cyberpunk, the nanotech and genetech should never have been published as it was.

[Voran]

Heh, yet we're still fine with a "how did the native american population get so big?" and "wait...everything is controlled by a megacorp or some sort of organized crime family/group?" and "Um, yeah there's AI everywhere and people especially like the ones that munch on adware/etc"

[Glyph]

I think it's a leap from the beginnings of nanotechnology to a post-scarcity economy, just as having shadowrunners as augmented or awakened outliers does not bode the imminence of the singularity. Even before nanotech was introduced into the books as 'ware, it was implied to be used extensively for a lot of manufacturing and construction. In other words, nanotech and geneware were marginal augmentations that didn't have to be anything more than what they were.

Shadowrun's primary genre has been the old romanticized outlaw trope that is older than dirt. It combined near-future sci-fi with fantasy to create a unique setting, but that setting should evolve, not remain stuck in the 80's. Even cyberpunk doesn't have to be nothing but old 80's paranoia and stuff cadged from noir novels.

[Voran]

I still just pretend we're in the Blade Runner setting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)