 Japanese worlds and slang used in Shadowrun |
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 Jun 4 2016, 03:20 AM
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Target  Group: Validating Posts: 22 Joined: 27-January 06 Member No.: 8,203  |
Hi folks I just wonder were are the Japanese loan words from?,
Joygirl that's not an English or European slang, LW |
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Jun 4 2016, 11:14 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 9-September 03 From: Sorø, Denmark Member No.: 5,604 |
QUOTE (Lwhitehead @ Jun 4 2016, 04:20 AM)  Hi folks I just wonder were are the Japanese loan words from?, Joygirl that's not an English or European slang, LW Maybe not, but I'm not in doubt what it means, and neither are any of my players. |
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Jun 4 2016, 11:55 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Joygirl?
Why would that be a japanese loanword? O.o Salariman, Omae, zaibatsu, yes . . but Joygirl? |
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Jun 4 2016, 12:36 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
QUOTE Joygirl that's not an English or European slang, Joygirl has originally been coined William Gibson, a Canadian science fiction author, I think. And I would assume most Japanese words Shadowrun loans are in fact just more or less bad Japanese - though Shadowrun does use 'so ka' relatively appropriately, 'omae' is way too rude to simply mean 'buddy', it's mildly derogative, I think. |
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Jun 4 2016, 04:51 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
It's from the 80s, when certain elements in the US thought that Japan was going to take over the US because some Japanese guys bought Rockefeller Center in New York City. Or some other prominent properties. I forgot the details already.
So it's kind of meta. It's bad Japanese as injected by Western authors into cyberpunk fiction, and preserved in Shadowrun in order to highlight and celebrate the 80s roots of Shadowrun. That's part of the reason I never was interested in Shadowrun past 3rd edition. By the time they started adding wifi, it was clear they were missing the point. Shadowrun is all about lugging around big thick wires plugged into your head, wielding a scoped uzi, and sputtering out bad Japanese while using the economic situation of the 80s as the basis for the anxieties and concerns of fictional people in your game world. |
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Jun 4 2016, 09:51 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,082 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Jun 4 2016, 06:51 PM) It's from the 80s, when certain elements in the US thought that Japan was going to take over the US because some Japanese guys bought Rockefeller Center in New York City. Or some other prominent properties. I forgot the details already. Simply take any current-day text on how China will take over everything, replace all instances of "China/Chinese" with "Japan/Japanese" and you have what was common knowledge in the 80s. And it works just as well the other way round... |
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Jun 6 2016, 02:27 AM
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Awakened Master Ninja Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 932 Joined: 30-January 07 From: CalFree Member No.: 10,844 |
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Jun 4 2016, 09:51 AM) It's from the 80s, when certain elements in the US thought that Japan was going to take over the US because some Japanese guys bought Rockefeller Center in New York City. Or some other prominent properties. I forgot the details already. So it's kind of meta. It's bad Japanese as injected by Western authors into cyberpunk fiction, and preserved in Shadowrun in order to highlight and celebrate the 80s roots of Shadowrun. Ah, yes. As someone who graduated class of 1989, the whole Japan Takes Over the World meme makes me terribly nostalgic. It's actually one of the things I really enjoy about Shadowrun; truly, I am a grognard. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Jun 6 2016, 04:52 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
QUOTE (JanessaVR @ Jun 5 2016, 09:27 PM) Ah, yes. As someone who graduated class of 1989, the whole Japan Takes Over the World meme makes me terribly nostalgic. It's actually one of the things I really enjoy about Shadowrun; truly, I am a grognard. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I feel the same way. That site has a real good economic analysis, too! http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anal...kesOverTheWorld |
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Jun 6 2016, 06:52 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-August 09 From: Vancouver, Canada Member No.: 17,538 |
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Jun 6 2016, 09:52 AM) I feel the same way. That site has a real good economic analysis, too! http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anal...kesOverTheWorld Same here, though I graduated in 90 rather than 89. The TV tropes link is a nice overview. |
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Jun 6 2016, 07:00 PM
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Awakened Master Ninja Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 932 Joined: 30-January 07 From: CalFree Member No.: 10,844 |
QUOTE (Mantis @ Jun 6 2016, 10:52 AM) Same here, though I graduated in 90 rather than 89. The TV tropes link is a nice overview. Sure, the Japanese were going to take over the world, but they were going to look really cool doing it, and then the world would be awesome. Alas, for the good parts of 80's cyberpunk that didn't come true... |
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Jun 6 2016, 07:57 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
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Jun 6 2016, 09:10 PM
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Awakened Master Ninja Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 932 Joined: 30-January 07 From: CalFree Member No.: 10,844 |
QUOTE (hermit @ Jun 6 2016, 11:57 AM) I've never heard of any of those, but thanks, I'll check those out. |
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Jun 6 2016, 09:26 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Retro 80s/early 90s synthie stuff. Personally, I prefer Perturbator, but ymmv. There's a lot of other musicians like that, but those are to my knowledge the most well-known.
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 Jun 15 2016, 01:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 573 Joined: 23-July 03 From: outside America Member No.: 5,015 |
QUOTE (hermit @ Jun 4 2016, 12:36 PM) 'omae' is way too rude to simply mean 'buddy', it's mildly derogative, I think. When Japanese has been used at our table, it has always been a pretentious "I can insult you in a foreign language and you don't know what I said" effect.Lions and tigers and bears, omae. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead.gif) |
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