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Stingray
post Jun 13 2017, 09:53 AM
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..I would like tmy charc to have a formal training as Paramedic/EMT..how long would it take? my first though is 3 years
(charc has taken first aid classes in Highschool etc..)
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post Jun 13 2017, 09:57 AM
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There are different levels, the first of which can be completed in just a few weeks.

The following link contains requirements for a current training as an EMT:
http://study.com/how_long_does_it_take_to_..._paramedic.html

Keep in mind that skill wires and knowledge chips can drastically reduce the requirements.
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post Jun 13 2017, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE (bannockburn @ Jun 13 2017, 12:57 PM) *
There are different levels, the first of which can be completed in just a few weeks.

The following link contains requirements for a current training as an EMT:
http://study.com/how_long_does_it_take_to_..._paramedic.html

Keep in mind that skill wires and knowledge chips can drastically reduce the requirements.

..TU fof info..basically: real basic training( 150h) could be taken in highschool in first aid-classes form), after that couple ( 2-6 mnt) months of entry level
training (combination of book learning and working in ambulances (or equivalent)) and after that 13-18 mnts to finish off = certified paramedic...
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post Jun 13 2017, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE (Stingray @ Jun 13 2017, 12:14 PM) *
..TU fof info..basically: real basic training( 150h) could be taken in highschool in first aid-classes form), after that couple ( 2-6 mnt) months of entry level
training (combination of book learning and working in ambulances (or equivalent)) and after that 13-18 mnts to finish off = certified paramedic...


It's really hard to make out your meaning.

I don't know which High School you went to, but in my experience, you get a very, very basic course required for having a driver's license, consisting of one day of standing around a puppet in a group and pumping it in various ways. Not really what I would call "basic training" at all. Not to mention that the gist of this course is "pump the victim and wait for professionals".
Better to compare it with a basic course you get during training as a fire fighter, cop or soldier.
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post Jun 13 2017, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE (bannockburn @ Jun 13 2017, 01:20 PM) *
It's really hard to make out your meaning.

I don't know which High School you went to, but in my experience, you get a very, very basic course required for having a driver's license, consisting of one day of standing around a puppet in a group and pumping it in various ways. Not really what I would call "basic training" at all. Not to mention that the gist of this course is "pump the victim and wait for professionals".
Better to compare it with a basic course you get during training as a fire fighter, cop or soldier.

...all i wanted to find out if 3 years is enough time to gain certificate of Paramedic/EMT.. ( after that Corp employed as Combat Medic)
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post Jun 13 2017, 11:47 AM
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I'm in the UK, so this information has a slant to it, YMMV...

Getting a first aid box from the supermarket / health and safety store normally comes with a basic booklet of stuff. Take an hour to read and memorise, and I would say that's first aid / biotech =1. Cost is £10
A "First aid at work" course is normally done in 2-3 days, so about 18 hours of training. It will cover cuts, blood loss, splints, immobilising victims, recovery position and CPR. I'd say that would get you to biotech 2. Cost is about £300
Going the St Johns Ambulance / first aid trainer and doing a couple of the courses there, each 2-4 days long (we have stuff like Automatic external defibrillator, Professional Drivers first aid, Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation, Anaphylaxis first aid, Paediatric first aid) would take up 12-24 hours per course, so between 24 and 84 hours more training, and I reckon would get you biotech 3. Cost would be about £300 per module.

At that sort of level, you should be able to cope with most incidents at work, your average car / motorbike crash, accidents at home etc, which sounds about right for a skill at 3. Training time in total is between 40 and 100 hours total, depending on the quality of the trainer, and how well you do at classroom learning of course.

To make the step up to a professional level in the UK, you need a big step up in commitment.
To work as a nurse, you need a degree in nursing and you must be registered with the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC). You’ll need to choose which of the four nursing specialisms (adult, children, mental health, or learning disability) you’d like to study. Nursing requires a high level of technical competence and clinical decision-making skills. To develop these, you'll spend half of your nursing degree on supervised placements in local hospital and community settings. (source=https://www.rcn.org.uk/professional-development/become-a-nurse)
A UK degree is 3-4 years of training, at about £10k per year in tuition. But, that would give you a solid 4-5 in Biotech, and a whole bunch of related background / complimentary skills.

The next leg up, a Doctor, requires a medical degree, taking 4-6 years. Expect the course fees to be anywhere up to 50% higher, more if you go to a prestigious university. So, a much heftier increase in commitment, but rating 5-6 in the skill and a massive clutch of background skills to go with it. (https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/job-profiles/paramedic)

If you were going for a narrower specialism - specifically the first aid side say, then a paramedic course requires only a foundation degree or Diploma of Higher education, so you're looking at 2-3 years training there. You don't get the breadth of knowledge, but a good specialism in the immediate roadside / scene care needed to transport to a facility. (https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/job-profiles/paramedic)

As the poster above said, skillwires, chips, and other high tech methods would potentially change this massively. Real life and Shadowrun don't always go hand in hand well on stuff like this, as the skills tend to be a narrow focus, rather than the broad range of stuff a course normally imparts. But hopefully that will give you a yard stick to work from.
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post Jun 13 2017, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE (Kren Cooper @ Jun 13 2017, 02:47 PM) *
I'm in the UK, so this information has a slant to it, YMMV...

Getting a first aid box from the supermarket / health and safety store normally comes with a basic booklet of stuff. Take an hour to read and memorise, and I would say that's first aid / biotech =1. Cost is £10
A "First aid at work" course is normally done in 2-3 days, so about 18 hours of training. It will cover cuts, blood loss, splints, immobilising victims, recovery position and CPR. I'd say that would get you to biotech 2. Cost is about £300
Going the St Johns Ambulance / first aid trainer and doing a couple of the courses there, each 2-4 days long (we have stuff like Automatic external defibrillator, Professional Drivers first aid, Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation, Anaphylaxis first aid, Paediatric first aid) would take up 12-24 hours per course, so between 24 and 84 hours more training, and I reckon would get you biotech 3. Cost would be about £300 per module.

At that sort of level, you should be able to cope with most incidents at work, your average car / motorbike crash, accidents at home etc, which sounds about right for a skill at 3. Training time in total is between 40 and 100 hours total, depending on the quality of the trainer, and how well you do at classroom learning of course.

To make the step up to a professional level in the UK, you need a big step up in commitment.
To work as a nurse, you need a degree in nursing and you must be registered with the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC). You’ll need to choose which of the four nursing specialisms (adult, children, mental health, or learning disability) you’d like to study. Nursing requires a high level of technical competence and clinical decision-making skills. To develop these, you'll spend half of your nursing degree on supervised placements in local hospital and community settings. (source=https://www.rcn.org.uk/professional-development/become-a-nurse)
A UK degree is 3-4 years of training, at about £10k per year in tuition. But, that would give you a solid 4-5 in Biotech, and a whole bunch of related background / complimentary skills.

The next leg up, a Doctor, requires a medical degree, taking 4-6 years. Expect the course fees to be anywhere up to 50% higher, more if you go to a prestigious university. So, a much heftier increase in commitment, but rating 5-6 in the skill and a massive clutch of background skills to go with it. (https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/job-profiles/paramedic)

If you were going for a narrower specialism - specifically the first aid side say, then a paramedic course requires only a foundation degree or Diploma of Higher education, so you're looking at 2-3 years training there. You don't get the breadth of knowledge, but a good specialism in the immediate roadside / scene care needed to transport to a facility. (https://nationalcareersservice.direct.gov.uk/job-profiles/paramedic)

As the poster above said, skillwires, chips, and other high tech methods would potentially change this massively. Real life and Shadowrun don't always go hand in hand well on stuff like this, as the skills tend to be a narrow focus, rather than the broad range of stuff a course normally imparts. But hopefully that will give you a yard stick to work from.

..Tu for info.
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post Jun 13 2017, 05:03 PM
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Check out Bullets and Bandages.

If you doing life modules I would take schooling that gave you medical training, For medic. Then I would take postgraduate studies to be a doctor.

Think after reading this I am going to make a retired combat medic.
White collar
Military school
Military academy - medicine
Tod with Medical Corps

If I wanted an older char that maybe would be considered a doctor I would then take postgraduate studies.
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post Jun 14 2017, 02:02 AM
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QUOTE (Stingray @ Jun 13 2017, 05:31 AM) *
...all i wanted to find out if 3 years is enough time to gain certificate of Paramedic/EMT.. ( after that Corp employed as Combat Medic)


I think that time table seems quite reasonable. It could probably go even faster if you want. IRL, if you want to become a paramedic, a full year (2 semesters plus a summer session) in community college is sufficient to get your education certificate. You could, quite conceivably, be hired by an ambulance service even before you finish your formal schooling, if the service also hired people with lesser certifications (like an EMT-B or similar). In my area, newly hired paramedics are required to pass the National Registry exam in their first year after they are hired (that's the test that makes them officially a paramedic). Our local fire department only hires paramedics. My disclaimer is that, while I work with quite a few paramedics, I am not one myself.

I hope that answers your actual question. It seems like there's a lot of interesting side discussion that is not.
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