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May 18 2004, 11:50 PM
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,616 Joined: 15-March 04 Member No.: 6,158 |
I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but... this art really bites. It's all right, I guess, for fans of anime or manga or whatever, but ugh. I'd rather see nothing but Laubenstein and Prescott's work than anything like this finding its way into the sourcebooks.
I appreciate the sharing of the art, though. It's always cool to see another culture's take on concepts and ideas. |
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May 18 2004, 11:53 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
I second that. As mang/anime goes it is really medicore. Go to elfwood and you can find a hundred better artist to do work for Shadowrun.
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May 19 2004, 12:02 AM
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
It's not alright, even for people who like anime. It's pretty much standard bad manga art. I will say that it's better than almost anything FASA and FanPro generally publish (there are a few very rare exceptions that rise above the level of abysmal mediocrity that seems to cut it for them), but that's not exactly something to write home about. And the style itself absolutely does not suit SR, or anything with any amount of grit, for that matter.
Mini sam, on the other hand, is wonderfully cute and cute and wonderful all at once. And besides, good art or no, it's fairly interesting. |
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May 19 2004, 12:19 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: 26-March 04 From: Houston Member No.: 6,197 |
I maintain that its ability to boil down complex concepts to relatively simple pictures and a few sentences is its greatest selling point. Art be damned, it's just the medium the information is conveyed to you in.
Though, I am pleased by the lack of katanas so far in the art. |
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May 19 2004, 12:24 AM
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
True, it does have a very definite and attractive selling point in getting the information across easily to even the slowest of players. Shadowrun can be pretty daunting to the RPG-uninitiated.
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May 19 2004, 12:25 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 215 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,336 |
Ok, I sent the last of it off to Kagetenshi, they should be posted soon
Enjoy! -JL |
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May 19 2004, 12:27 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: 26-March 04 From: Houston Member No.: 6,197 |
Thanks for the translation work, Java. I feel kind of bad looking at these without saying it.
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May 19 2004, 12:45 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 215 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,336 |
Meh, the hardest bit was editing the images, I'm horrid at that, it's not like I put too much effort into making a 'professional level' translation or anything.
Anyhow, thanks, and enjoy the translations. -JL |
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May 19 2004, 01:01 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 746 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 459 |
The original images were scanned at 600 dpi. I then ran them through Photoshop to clean them up a little and drasticalyl cut down their file size.
Thanks for the translation!! If you need somewhere to store the images let me know and I'll place them with the originals. Yes the art is typical manga quality, it's no Tenra Bansho Zero or anything ;) |
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May 19 2004, 01:02 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 171 Joined: 27-April 04 From: Everywhere, but nowhere. Member No.: 6,286 |
:S I thought Shadowrun wasn't all that nitty and gritty, and it had leeway for some offbeat stuff like this. I kinda like this take better. If only this stuff (translated) was around when I first started, I wouldn't have THAT much trouble learning the ropes.
Oh, thanks for the scans. :lick: |
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May 19 2004, 01:04 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 215 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,336 |
It might be good to have the originals and translations stored together, redundancy in storage on the net is always a good thing.
So, yeah, go ahead, put 'em up with the originals, it'll make it easier when I show all my newb SR players how to play on Friday. mmm... shadowrun... I haven't played in soooooo long... I finally have a group, even *if* I have to teach them. -JL |
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May 19 2004, 01:10 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: 26-March 04 From: Houston Member No.: 6,197 |
I think the damage reduction one is broken. Is it supposed to be reading at 27k in filesize?
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May 19 2004, 01:12 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 215 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,336 |
Might be, it's 130,331 on my copy.
-JL ~~~~~~~~~ so, Tzeentch, shall I send them off to you? |
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May 19 2004, 01:13 AM
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panda! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
its broken all right, opening it leads to a bad image that tells me nothing at all...
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May 19 2004, 01:22 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 746 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 459 |
Uploaded another five images.
Nah, just keep the translations on that website and I'll shuttle them over myself. |
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May 19 2004, 01:27 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 215 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,336 |
I'll get to more translation after work.. or something, I'll do 'em soon enough.
-JL |
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May 19 2004, 01:40 AM
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Manus Celer Dei ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Yep, the Damage Reduction one is broken due to an error in my FTP client. I'm going to fix it as soon as I get a chance, don't worry; just in the middle of a Shadowrun game and all :)
~J |
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May 19 2004, 02:06 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 752 |
i can translate the weapons pic, see if this engrish sounds familiar:
1. He-kke-raa- & Ko-cch HK227 (thing looks a bit bigger than i imagined) 2. Ah-ru-su Pa-ru-da-ta (one again the RoboCop gun, picture looks like it fires a long cartridge like 10mm) 3. Mo-no-wi-ra-men-to Wi-ppu |
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May 19 2004, 02:38 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 215 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,336 |
Ok, so I got ambitious, I just finished doing Phase 3's translations and sent them to Kagetenshi. Enjoy!
-JL ~~~~~~ is now late for work |
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May 19 2004, 02:57 AM
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
More accurately,
Hekkeraa & Kohho(should be chyu?) HK227 Aresu Puredetaa Monohuiramento Uippu I don't know what's up with these illustrations. That HK227 looks less like an SMG and more like a bizarre (and kind of dumb) assault rifle with a bit of MSG90 mixed in for fun. That Predator is just a Beretta 93R AG Auto 9 (the Robocop gun), though, as noted, those bullets look a little .357 Magnum esque. |
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May 19 2004, 03:50 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 673 Joined: 30-March 04 Member No.: 6,206 |
Heh, I prefer this take as well. Grit my ass, I hate the cyberpunk elements of shadowrun the most.
They should have tried some graphic explanation like this in the sourcebooks. The wading pool one made my SR-learning friends realize how to use in very quick measure. |
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May 19 2004, 05:16 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 171 Joined: 27-April 04 From: Everywhere, but nowhere. Member No.: 6,286 |
Until you consider that it seems to follow H&K standard assault rifle design. It kinda reminds me of the G3-series (especially the G36) for some reason. <EDIT> -Whoops. Misread. :sleepy: Maybe the scope's a mod or something. |
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May 19 2004, 05:24 AM
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Uh, GreatChicken, the MSG90 is a Heckler & Koch built sniper rifle. It's seen some use with the US Marine Corps. That drawing o the HK227 looks a lot like a shortened MSG90. Unfortuantely, if you know guns, you know that the MSG90 is a cheaper and battlefield viable version of the PSG-1, which is itself based on the G3 rifle. None of these are sane design choices for a submachinegun. But, hell, the fact that there's a scope on that HK227 is bad enough.
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May 19 2004, 05:30 AM
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Manus Celer Dei ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Ok, new stuff uploaded, damage resistance thing fixed. I'm pretty sure this is everything I've received.
~J |
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May 19 2004, 06:13 AM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I don't think the HK227 in the Weapons.jpg picture looks like a H&K at all. None of the basic HK feature are there -- the trigger group, the feed, the stock, the upper receiver, the fore end, the barrel, the sights, all look like nothing in an existing HK firearm. Maybe, just maybe, the bit of barrel that you do see looks like the end of the barrel on an MSG90A1, except that it really doesn't.
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