Sixth Edition, Release Announcement Options

[Nstol_wisper]

By regression I mean in the sense that the the game Shadowrun is a split from our real world geopolitical understanding of events at a specific point in time.
The world form that point regressed into a more primitave and tribal state where the stronger tribe always preyed on the closest, weakest target. While everyone shared the attitude that nothing can be done about it.

The tone I picked up on was one of regressing back, well....fowards. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Where socially it is now of some priority to "unite the tribes" while thinking more globally?

[Iduno]

Instead, one of them went neo-nazi slang. The lack of douchebro-ness is noted and positive, though.

At least one, and nobody bothered to remove it, or publicly say anything about it.

[Nstol_wisper]

The one thing that is relevant here is that they often did have a strong DIY attitude because they recognised that people inside the establishment would generally only collaborate with them, for the purpose of exploiting them.

At the core is that DIY attitude you mentioned. There was no safety in a strong central organization at any level, every decision was for the good of Your tribe. And no individual or single organization or its leader, be it a police department, corp, nation was safe from attack for the same anarchistic reasons, usually their destruction.
So the me against the world, all or nothing attitude with the occasional personal flair was the standard.
Very Rock n Roll. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[Sengir]

Attack of the Null. Crash 2.5.

Sounds more like the Horrors Elder Gods are coming, because we need the end of the world with ultimately no consequences every couple of years, and it always has to be bigger than the last one.

[bannockburn]

That's it. I'm retiring my characters to some island and do subsistence farming.

[Nstol_wisper]

That's it. I'm retiring my characters to some island and do subsistence farming.

Or retire to Mars?

Which casuses me to ask, Are we going to see a Mars based sourcebook?
Are we ready to see mission after mission with characters mailing themselves to mars, abducting some corp accountant, then mailing themselves back to earth? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)
Maybe Pilot Space Vehicle is one of the skills in 6th.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)

[hermit]

Sounds more like the Horrors Elder Gods are coming, because we need the end of the world with ultimately no consequences every couple of years, and it always has to be bigger than the last one.

Huh. Maybe. Thought it was supposed to be bugs originally but who knows where this goes.

[Koekepan]

That's it. I'm retiring my characters to some island and do subsistence farming.

*Red Dog, Red Dog, c'mon in, Red Dog*

*This here's Red Dog, in position*

*Awright, we're landing in the rubber ducks now, insertion is a go*

*Fool shoulda known runners never retire*

[bannockburn]

Or retire to Mars?

Hell no. There's weird AI stuff going on there.

Maybe Pilot Space Vehicle is one of the skills in 6th.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)

There's already Pilot (Aerospace).

[Sendaz]

Human Rigger Dossier is out on DTRPG for free, giving you a rigger character to use.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/281064...DMtSFof5wby961w

In the Qualities thing, we can see some of the qualities and adjustments taking the new Edge score into account:

Addiction
Character cannot earn or spend Edge in any form while suffering withdrawal and takes a –2 dice pool penalty to all tests, increasing by 1 per addiction period passed. (Level 1: 1 week)

Juryrigger
When performing a Juryrigging test, character gains a bonus point of Edge that must be used on that test, or it is lost.


That addiction withdrawal thing should prove interesting seeing how important Edge should be going forward, so don't miss your hits. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[hermit]

Can't ... shoot ... need ... soykaf ...

[Nstol_wisper]

Look like you use Edge anywhere now.
Makes Deckers and Mages look really more playable.

Now, I know addiction is a touchy, adult subject but, That and taking away limits and Edge rules?
Some really interesting individual RP options surfaced.....

[hermit]

Yes, those poor, undervalued and underpowered mages.

[Sendaz]

Can't ... shoot ... need ... soykaf ...

LOL

Though to be fair, I know the missus is not fully functioning until her second or third cup in the morning, so there is something to that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Look like you use Edge anywhere now.
Makes Deckers and Mages look really more playable.

When did you ever see Mages as less playable? One of the biggest complaints over the year has been SR turning into MagicRun.

Now I like magic, but there is some truth to it. Limits were in place, but reagents could wipe that out in a heartbeat. Overcasting was not so hard to do as the decider on whether drain was P or S was now hits, not original Force. Mystic adepts were broken as heck once they removed you having to buy up spells and adept powers separately.`

Now some of this will probably change of course, so overcasting may be reined in a bit, but having sustained spells switch over to duration is a mighty handy feature as that means you don't have to try juggling multiple spells and the incurred sustaining penalties.

So we shall see, but don't worry about us mages, we will be fine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Sengir]

Huh. Maybe. Thought it was supposed to be bugs originally but who knows where this goes.

Well, the story about Ares dealings with the bugs is obviously coming to a head, but so far it seems to be mostly limited to Ares and associates. On the other hand, CGL has been heavily pushing references to The Enemy in recent books, and those lovely folks would certainly not limit themselves to subtly infiltrating one organization. Also, there is this detail from the second chat block (those who didn't read it, here under "Version 3")

> What the hell is that?!?!?
> Slamm-0!

> I don't even know what I'm looking at.
> Bull

> Is that a tentacle? A tumor? Where's it's face?
> Slamm-0!

Doesn't sound bug-ish to me, more tentacle horror...


Currently the site is showing a video, but no new info I could discern.

Human Rigger Dossier is out on DTRPG for free, giving you a rigger character to use.
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/281064...DMtSFof5wby961w

A nice intro for new players I guess, and it has the requisite errors every SR sample character must have (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But...Gunnery (Jumped In) is Engineering + Logic? Please tell me that's an error, not a result of pruning the skill list. And what are those (A) and (I) in the list of possible actions?

[hermit]

On the other hand, CGL has been heavily pushing references to The Enemy in recent books, and those lovely folks would certainly not limit themselves to subtly infiltrating one organization.

Uhm. Them doing just that was a major part of the Aztechnology plot since 2nd Edition.

The way the Matrix comes down seems more like the Null, but Mr Tentacleface? Who knows. The UCAS did have dark dealings referenced, part of Colloton's attempt to beef their military back to USA-levels of power, but those seemed to be mainly Shedim. I guess we'll know more tomorrow, seems they update the site daily with new stuff.

Also, made a transcript of the video for those who prefer a more efficient data format:

*beeeeeeep*
Man 1: Philly is down, Matrix is completely crashed there. Ejected, and dumpshocked…
Man 2: A flash was reported over the city.
Man 1: As the UCAS fears [unintelligible]
Man 3: Baltimore has just gone dark!
Woman1: … a hundred and fifty thousand in critical condition.
Woman 2: Please help us!
Man 1: Washington declared a curfew …
Woman 3: Newark, Halifax and Providence, (….) Lexington all run dark …
Woman 2: Save my soul!
Woman 1: … Dumpshock and death …
Man 1: Switching to the UN Correspondent …
Woman 2: … technology …
Man 1: … pulled off the Matrix immediately.
*beep*
We have access. We don’t know how long it’ll last. We welcome you (unintelligible). We have to act, and act quickly! We’ve been so busy responding to the emergency that we can’t do anything else! But we have to! We can’t just react, we have to stop them! Who are they? Look at what we know. They’re sending us a clear message. Everything that you have, everything that you’re about, is fragile! (unintelligible, maybe ‘broken’?) The society that keeps you safe, that gives you the things you need can be taken away, removed in an instant. Everything can be lost. So, we have to ask: who wants to break society? Who always talks about destroying the world, tearing it down before it can be rebuilt, who are the malcontents, the ones who think that they know better than everyone else, when what they really want is chaos, and power? Who are the ones willing to go to such extreme lengths to get it? You know who the destroyers are. Maybe you even know some of’em. Or see what they can do to the world. What they want to do. We have to act! We have to protect ourselves. But we can’t let them get any stronger! They’re a plague, they’ll bring desaster, we have to fix it, we can’t just sit by and wait for things to get worse! We have to declare a war!
*Shot*

Also, made some stills of the art and easter eggs. While those are only moderately interesting, the White House assault art doesn't feature shapes that look un-metahuman at all.

[Jaid]

But...Gunnery (Jumped In) is Engineering + Logic? Please tell me that's an error, not a result of pruning the skill list. And what are those (A) and (I) in the list of possible actions?

dunno about the (A) and (I), but gunnery being engineering had already been confirmed before i believe.

[hermit]

Design a fridge, build a house, fire a rocket launcher, what's the big difference. Engineering is the new Artisan.

[Nstol_wisper]

Having a someting like that as a necessary specialization makes sense. To many skills in 5e should have implied some familiarity or general knowledge of a given test. Maybe in this edition having the base skill will mean a less severe penalty, less than 5e's for not choosing a skill at all, if you choose not to specialize?

[Sendaz]

And what are those (A) and (I) in the list of possible actions?

From what I have seen I think I is Interrupt actions that you can take, but they reduce/cost Initiative as you are doing something.
A should be Anytime Actions, that you can do anytime.. pretty close to the old Free Actions I guess.

On a side note, operating a Trebuchet uses your French Language Skill. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Nstol_wisper]

Here is a release schedule for more material.
I hope this means that every class will get their own dossier like the Rigger's.....
release schedule

[Nstol_wisper]

Getting back to Sixth World discussion.....

I'm noticing less and less City Speak in each edition's sourcebooks. And Sixth World appears to be continuing this trend.
Opinions, is it good, bad, or you didn't notice?

Will people be mad at me when I say it's a good thing?

I do think it's a signature of the game but the greater delineation between game narrative and say, author's descriptive of mechanics is needed.......That's my opinion anyway. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/question.gif)

[hermit]

I'm noticing less and less City Speak in each edition's sourcebooks. And Sixth World appears to be continuing this trend.
Opinions, is it good, bad, or you didn't notice?

I don't mind it that much, but I do mind real internet slang creeping in, especially of Alt-right/Neo-Nazi online culture. Not that internet slang in itself wasn't annoying enough to read in a supposedly 52 years in the future setting, but that specific subculture isn't what I want to read in any books I pay money for.

As stated above, it's high time CGL follow up on big words they put in their books.

[Nstol_wisper]

I don't find it particularly defeatist.

Especially not compared to the original punks.

For those of you old enough to need the reminder, or young enough not to have heard the first time: the original punks were many things, but hopeful about the future and energetic about replacing the world were not often characteristics. They expected (remember, this was late Cold war era) to die in a fireball of nuclear ruin, and often thought that trying to build a legacy in that context was absurd, or at least darkly comic. This was one recurring theme behind their mockery of the establishment, as well as their rage at it.

The one thing that is relevant here is that they often did have a strong DIY attitude because they recognised that people inside the establishment would generally only collaborate with them, for the purpose of exploiting them. You couldn't rely upon the elite to do anything you wanted, so you might as well do it yourself. Tape your own music over someone else's, draw your own covers, and put out your own 'zines. But they still bought denim jackets at all the usual places.

So I don't think it's all that antithetical to punk to work within the limitations of the era.

Like a David Bowie Ultra Punk thing..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarrassed.gif)
What Metatype/Archetype would David Bowie be?

[Sendaz]

Like a David Bowie Ultra Punk thing..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/embarrassed.gif)
What Metatype/Archetype would David Bowie be?

Alot of folk would jump in and say Elf, because elves are cool blah blah.

I would say Metatype Human and archetype is Pure Bowie, he was a class onto himself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Would also take Rocker in a pinch.