Rigger Bits, You've got to be kidding me. Options

[Dissonance]

Two quick questions.

1) I'm looking to tweak out a GMC Bulldog for rigging/remote operations. I don't really care what all I have on it, but I want to be able to pretty much summon the thing, and I want it to have some kind of rigger-controlled weaponary. Because that's delicious. Suggestions?

2) If a spirit is pissing me off, and I don't have the means to kill it with said weapons due to immunity constraints... Does ramming it at 300 meters per turn an acceptable solution for getting around immunities? Seriously. Is it?

EDIT: Manifested spirits. I'm not going to try and ram an unmanifested one, unless I line the entire thing with biofiber... Hmm....

[Omega Skip]

2) IIRC, ramming the thing at that speed would cause 30D damage, so yeah, that should blow the spirit to smithereens. I'm not sure how I'd handle the staging rules for collisions with pedestrians though... Also, your own vehicle now needs to resist 30S, which may or may not suck for you.

[Edit] Yuu mean materialized, don't you?[/Edit]

[Dissonance]

Manifested, materialized. *chuckles* Leave me alone! But, yes. I have to resist that much? Bwah, that's no good.

But I'll remember that the next time I'm driving someone ELSE's car.

[Moonwolf]

The spirit would take 30D, the van would take 30L. A light is nothing to worry about if the spirit needs killing fast.

[Omega Skip]

Nope Moonwolf, check the BBB, collisions with pedestrians. Clearly states that damage for the vehicle is staged down one step, so D becomes S.

[Jason Farlander]

I'd like to go ahead and point out that an armored truck taking 30S damage from hitting a pedestrian is... completely retarded.

[TinkerGnome]

You shouldn't be moving at 100m/s (ie, 6 k/minute or 360 kph) when you hit someone, then. Now, if that collision were at 200m/ct (240 kph) then the pedestrian would take 20D and the vehicle would take 20M.

[BishopMcQ]

Jason--you forgot that all pedestrians in this land have titanium bone lacing, dermal sheath, and are possessed by a force 12 greater form City Spirit. Either that or the guys who wrote the rules were trying to deter you from killing pedestrians with your car....I'm still working on the latter concept. :D

[TinkerGnome]

And don't forget that you reduce the damage for the colliding vehicle by body x number of successes on the ramming test. So a body 4 vehicle with 4 successes would take only 6M in the 200m/ct case. And you can always use control pool on the resistance test.

[BishopMcQ]

TKG--Why exactly 6M? I'm tired but I keep coming up with a different number...closer to 4M

Also do you get armor on the Crash test? If so is it applied after you reduce the damage of the collision?

[Vlad the Bad]

What if the pedestrian has titanium bone lacing or has a cybertorso or something? Physics is shadowrun sometimes has to take a back seat. It should also be mentioned that said 300m/turn is very, very, very fast (225mph).

[Vlad the Bad]

man, I am just too slow. I need move-by-wire to type fast enough for you guys.

[TinkerGnome]

20M-(successes x body) = 20M - (4 x 4) = 4M. I was backwards.

In any case, I don't know how you're getting a Bulldog up to 200 m/ct ;)

[BishopMcQ]

[Kagetenshi]

[Moonwolf]

Sorry, I was using the Rigger 3 damage tables, where the body of both sides is used. It means that vans can run people over and take some damage, rather than wiping out in one go.

[Dissonance]

*boggles*

Wow. So, er, is it a good idea to ram spirits, then?

I deserve a prize! :biggrin:

Now, all I need to do is find out how to find a full-automatic shotgun to mount to the roof of my.. Er. Delivery truck. Yeah. That's the ticket. Delivery.

EDIT: Oh! As for impossibly fast vehicles? I want this bike.
http://www.ircuser.org/files/219mph.mpg

[CircuitBoyBlue]

Screw "good idea." It's just COOL to ram spirits!

[Phaeton]

[lodestar]

I hate to be the voice of reason here but watch out, most spirits are a lot tougher to ram than one would think, especially if your GM is on the ball. Assuming you'll mostly be ramming city spirits, they have various movement and accident powers to trip you up. Movement powers of course can slow your ramming speed to make you ineffectual, and the accident power can be very liberal on what it means, You ever watch They Must be Mad? You get the idea. The best idea for dealing with most spirits is just to move out of its domain.

Elementals on the other hand are much more difficult to deal with, the only solution being high caliber weapons when they materialize. Fire, air and water elementals will most likely just manifest inside the vehicle and incinerate/suffocate/drown the occupants. And earth elementals? Well they can make nasty speed bumps.

Geek the mage.

[Cain]

For your bulldog-- a Security model with rigger adaptation can be summoned on command. An improved Pilot would be helpful; but simply rigger-adapting the thing will give you a Pilot of 1. For weapons, a pop-up turret should do the trick.

As for spirits... it depends what you put in that turret. I tend to load Great Dragons into the damn things, which will fry most spirits easily. A water cannon or flamethrower can do the trick as well.

If you're dead set on ramming the damn thing, get yourself a low-level nitro injector. That will get you up to 2.5 x your normal speed. If I were the GM, I'd be imposing all kinds of handling modifiers after firing off one of those, but YMMV, of course.

[TinkerGnome]

[Kagetenshi]

That's why my rigger keeps a blowtorch next to her at all times.

~J

[TinkerGnome]

Tasers are better :)

[lodestar]