 Fun with Claymores, Of things that go boom in one direction |
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 May 28 2004, 04:06 AM
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Old Man Jones  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699  |
I have a noobish question about Claymore mines.
I know they detonate in a roughly conical blast pattern. I know they can be trip or remote detonated. I know that in most cases you want the side marked "This Side Towards Enemy" to be actually facing the enemy when you set one off, rather than at, say, your buddies. In most cases. My question is, what about the backblast? Is there any? Would I be killed or maimed standing behind a detonating claymore mine? Could I strap some to the outside of my vehicle to discourage folks hitching rides on the bumpers? Could I strap one to my forehead? How about to an armored cyberlimb? Perhaps to the back of the forearm, so I can simutaneously flip the bird and deliver hot shrapneled death? Hmm... Slightly deranged minds want to know. -karma |
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May 28 2004, 04:15 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 17-November 03 From: Texas Member No.: 5,828 |
Shadowrun Claymore Mines? (SoTA 2063) If the person is within the blast range but not in the front 60 degree arc, they still get blasted, but at half power.
Real life claymores? My instructions (Army) were to put it up against a tree or rock and get the hell away from the back of it ... 10 meters minimum, 20 prefered, IIRC. I think it's listed lethal radius is 3 meters and damage radius is 10 behind it. If no one else does, I'll pull out my SMCT and look it up. |
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May 28 2004, 04:16 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 40 Joined: 26-February 02 From: ACT, Australia Member No.: 1,874 |
According to the books the back blast is a 16 metre cone. I guess that would mostly be explosive though, as long as what is behind the claymore doesn't become shrapnel.
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May 28 2004, 04:17 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
There certainly is. Standing right behind one when it goes off is likely to get both your legs crushed and burnt, and the rest of you won't be just fine either. The effects could be summed up by ~8D, -2/m. Since there's little to no fragmentation effect behind the thing, being just 10 meters behind one going off would probably not do more than bust your ears if you're unlucky. Unless, of course, the backplate or the tripod/legs happen to hit you. If the vehicle in question is heavily armored, then yes. A Main Battle Tank could probably handle that, at least in front hull and turret, without significant effect from those. On an APC, I certainly wouldn't suggest it: even if the rules would show no damage to the vehicle, the armor would quickly degrade and being inside the vehicle when one of the mines detonate will be quite painful. Needless to say, you can forget about the cyberlimb and forehead. [Edit]Okay, didn't know the Claymore has an effect outside the radius by canon. No worries then, that should make it lethal enough. The Directional Mines in Cannon Companion don't have any effect outside the main 60 degree cone by canon, though, but they sure as hell should. The Claymore is to directional mines as the M16 is to assault rifles.[/Edit] This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: May 28 2004, 04:19 AM |
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May 28 2004, 04:19 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 260 Joined: 20-March 04 From: That really good state. Yeah, you know the one... Member No.: 6,177 |
I believe Vietnam-era tankers used to attach claymores to the outside of the tank and then run the wires up to the driver to discourage infantrymen from mounting the vehicle. As for the rest, I dont remember the exact distance, but there is definately enough backblast to keep from holding on to it whilst detonating. The Army trains you to get behind a sandbag or something but I couldnt give you any hard numbers.
So, yes to armored vehicles, no to forehead! Edit- Damn you guys are fast :) |
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May 28 2004, 04:25 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Ah, well.
I suppose I could just get a metal plate and shape it to appear like a claymore. Bolt it to the forehead and try to look threatening. Thanks, all! -karma |
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May 28 2004, 04:31 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
If you want a large, heavy metal plate hanging on your forehead all the time, knock yourself out. I believe it's well over 4" high by 8" wide. Maybe closer to 6" by 10". [Edit]Oops. Your American directional mines are really small. :P[/Edit]
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May 28 2004, 06:16 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
I found this site a while ago when this issue came up in my game (one of them wanted to hold the mine out of a window and set it off). It has a nice diagram of the danger zones a claymore creates when it goes off, including the backblast.
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May 28 2004, 07:18 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
A while back, I had a very tough and slighly suicidal troll street sam who had a claymore strapped to his chest for dangerous runs. He never used it, but the thought frightened everyone. I had planned for him to use it against high-powered spirits-- if need be, as a "Newton's Cradle" effect-- but thankfully I never had to go that far. |
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May 28 2004, 08:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 264 Joined: 26-March 04 From: Houston Member No.: 6,197 |
Newton's Cradle? Explain, please.
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May 28 2004, 10:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 2,074 |
You know those manager toys? Same thing.
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May 28 2004, 01:09 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Troll charater with a cyberskull. Not a real big problem. I might put the real thing on anyway. Sort of a "I'm taking us both out!" kinda thing, but one that might not include his buddies in the blast zone. :D -np |
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May 28 2004, 01:27 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Directional cranial bomb.
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May 28 2004, 02:17 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
...for those with a fricken huge head but a weak skull.
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May 28 2004, 02:18 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
I've got a headache this big, and it's got claymore written all over it
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May 28 2004, 09:27 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
You should have made him a mime as well. :D |
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May 30 2004, 03:51 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
actually, it's got "Face Towards Enemy" written all over it. |
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May 31 2004, 06:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
Really? Mine say "Front Toward Enemy" :P
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May 31 2004, 08:32 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
This Side Toward Enemy
~J |
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May 31 2004, 09:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
Not that it matters, really, but this site says otherwise. ;)
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May 31 2004, 10:17 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I was referencing the Marathon II level rather than the mine. I'd personally rather have a Claymore pointed at me than a Mjolnir Mark IV military cyborg with all the toys.
~J |
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Jun 2 2004, 07:49 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
whichever. i try not to be on that side of claymores very often, so it's understandable that i forget exactly how they read!
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Jun 3 2004, 03:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
I dunno, they're apparently pretty vulnerable to just a couple of pistol whips.
edit: The cyborgs I mean :) |
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Jun 3 2004, 03:17 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I'm not sure where you got that impression. Sure, if you mob them you can take them down with spears (shock staves, actually, so they're augmented), but it's hard to do that to something that's filling you full of lead, lobbing grenades all around you, torching you with a flamethrower, unleashing physically improbable balls of electricity at you, backing it all up with a surface-to-surface missile launcher, and with a punch meaner than a pistol shot.
~J |
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Jun 3 2004, 03:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
Ok, to be fair, I'm basing this on Halo where it's a fellow cyborg doing the whippin'. I dunno, I'd still rather face the 'borg. There's just no reasoning with a claymore. I'm sure if I pretend to be a BoB, he'll let me go...
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