permits?, i know i am overlooking something Options

[Fygg Nuuton]

if the legality code doesnt have a "P" in it is there no way to get a permit?

[Kagetenshi]

Correct. If there is no P, no permit exists in Seattle.

~J

[Lantzer]

Which means that if you pack a knife you are a bad man.

(Well, at least the legality code isn't that bad.)

[Snow_Fox]

Well that was quick

[Fygg Nuuton]

so personal security cannot carry an SMG?

[Tal]

It's a personal permit for civilians to carry firearms, probably for their own safety.

Corp guards have extra-territoriality, so they're exempt.

[Fygg Nuuton]

i was talking about private security agencies :)

corps casn outfit guaards with whatever they like

[Kanada Ten]

The P is for civilians to obtain permits. Corporations have the right to military assembly, meaning they can acquire permits for quote security purposes and megacorps can acquire permits for military hardware.

The three levels of availability are Civilian, Security, and Military. GM discretion on most items, though some vehicles and others specifically mention Security or Military grade.

[BitBasher]

Private security agencies are tricky, because a lot of the time the place they patrol is not extraterritorial so that doesnt help them at all. Private security companies still need permits for everything to patrol in the plex.

[Abstruse]

Security permit != Civilian permit. You're not getting a security permit unless you're a licensed corporation (want to roleplay filling out 150 pages worth of applications?)

The Abstruse One

[Kagetenshi]

If the GM will make the paperwork for me, sure :)

~J

[Abstruse]

Sorry, I left out a 0...that should be 1500 page. And I'd just print out every spam email I get for a home moriage and make you fill that out if you tried it in my game.

In quadruplicate.

And I get a LOOOOOOT of spam.

The Abstruse One

[Tal]

Well, let's see. The two major private security companies in North America are Lone Star and Knight Errant, yah? From what I can remember, they've both got some pretty hefty contracts running, so they'd both qualify for megacorp staus, right? Wammo, instant right to bear arms.

[BitBasher]

Lone Star is a Mega, AA. Knight Errant alone is just an A if I remember, Not technically a mega and not extraterritorial. Which doesn't matter, extraterritoriality doesn't help you if your not on corp owned propery, because if you're not your subject to all the law and restrictions of where you are, like the seattle metroplex for instance.

[Connor]

Well, Knight Errant might not be a mega corp in it's own right, but it is a direct subsidiary of Ares and I believe that carries with it the Ares extraterritorality and such.

If someone with more intimate knowledge of how that works in sr, as far as subsidiaries having the extraterritorality of thier parent corp and such, feel free to expand on it. I'm really only referring to the subsidiaries the parent corp, like Ares, makes no bones about, like Knight Errant.

[Arethusa]

I imagine they would, but that means nothing unless they're operating on KE territory, which, by definition, is not what they do, for the most part.

[BitBasher]

What arethusa said was pretty much my point, extraterritoriality is irrelevant for a secrity provider because 99% of the time they're on the property of the person paying them, not in their HQ.

[Connor]

Ahh, yeah, that does makes sense. If Lonestar or Knight Errant are working for a single A corp or something they probably have to pretty much stick to the governments rules. Although, I imagine certain provisions exist to give them licenses or permits for weapons/vehicles/gear that aren't marked as 'P'.

[BitBasher]

That makes some sense, but it's not necessarily true.

[Connor]

No, not entirely. It would depend on a lot of factors, including the local government, the corp being protected by the security, how much they're willing to pay, etc...

In my games though, Lone Star and Knight Errant really only get hired by the big corps that don't have security assets of their own. I see them being too focused on the larger customer to be competitive for smaller corps and cities.

Hard Corps and other smaller security firms are the ones I usually use on the lower rungs, and of course, them being smaller themselves, means they have to abide by more outside rules and regulations, etc.

Although, mixing it up is the fun part.

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[MrSandman666]

Also keep in mind that they are usually contracted by whoever owns the land they are working on. If they get contracted by some extrateritorial corp and this corp specifically allows them to carry X weapon even though they don't have a permit for it (for example on Metroplex ground) then they're perfectly fine. All they have to do is ask whoever makes the laws for the land - Which can of course be a far from trivial task in some cases - like working for a small corp on metroplex ground. But then again those companies can get security licences since they are licensed and recognized security corporations in Seattle so that's taken care of.

[toturi]

[tjn]

And extraterritorial corps are just tripping over themselves with security forces?

It's still a business, and if it would cost less money to outsource those particular jobs then to train their own, they're going to use the least expensive measure because it looks better to their boss.

Are the security forces going to know all the deep dark secrets of said facility?

Hell no, they're going to be as far away as possible and treated like mushrooms; kept in the dark and fed a lot of drek.

Anything vital to the umbrella corp is going to be protected by their own security (because it would cost more to loose what they have, then to train the security forces to protect it).

But that doesn't indicate that the majority of their security forces for non-vital areas will be taken care of by themselves. It will go to those who can do it cheaper. If that's means another corp under the same mega, hey, great. If not, well the corp manager isn't about to make his own profits take a dive to "keep it in the family" as it were.

Remember, it all boils down to the almighty nuyen. Just because they can field security forces, doesn't mean it's profitable to field security forces.

EDIT: Mind doesn't work well in the morning :P

[shadd4d]

This reminds me of that line in Corp Sec Handbook: KE or whoever will take any action against your enemies you care to order, as long as we pretend to know nothing about it if it goes bust.

Still, I'd bet on megas having their own wholely subsidies for just that occasion. Still, there is something to be said for outsourcing. And yes, KE is pretty international; they're one of the few foreign services in the ADL.

Don