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 Most underrated weapon in the game?, And reasonings |
 Jun 2 2004, 03:59 PM
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Free Spirit  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,928 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920  |
It is legal. No Recoil, Silenced. 50 shot clip (beware, need to change air canister, too.) Mounts over and under barrel. Doesn't it use assault rifle skill and range, too? Fill those :nuyen: .5 rounds with :nuyen: 5 pepper punch (also legal), and do 7M Stun bursts, then let them make Body5 tests or get some more modifiers. Too bad it's Availability 9 and SI2, which makes little sense since it is legal. Could a character not just go buy it legally? |
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Jun 2 2004, 04:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
[random]
Dual-purpose dual-splash grenade loaded with splat glue AND slip spray. :silly: Would that defeat both purposes? :grinbig: [/random] |
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Jun 2 2004, 04:24 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
Probably. I don't know that smoke and splat glue would work too terribly well, either, since the particulates in the smoke might coat the glue making it less effective.
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Jun 2 2004, 04:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 18-July 03 Member No.: 4,963 |
The Colt Manhunter is overrated. The laser sight takes up the barrel mount. No barrel mount available = No silencers. Instead, you should look at the Morrissey Elite & Alta. Both of them feature an underbarrel laser sight(Remember, normally pistols have no underbarrel mount), the elite is cheaper, and their conceal is higher.
The Large netgun is underrated. It's great for quickly immobilizing heavy targets. Their armor and body doesn't help them at all, all they can do is try to dodge at higher TNs and hope you don't get half their quickness in successes. Bonus points if you can convince your GM that a built in smartlink doesn't count as a mounted accessory. Too bad it uses Shotguns though. Still underrated IMO. |
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Jun 2 2004, 05:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
Wait...The Manhunter can't mount a silencer and pistols normally can't mount underbarrel accessories?!...Um, wow. What the hell.
Just...What the hell. |
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Jun 2 2004, 05:17 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I guess the lack of underbarrel accessories is there because the game designers wanted to stop people from adding bipods, vertical front grips (I always forget the correct name of these) and UB GLs to pistols. I guess they couldn't be bothered to add "Cannot be added to pistols" into the descriptions of those modifications.
Just ignore all of it if you know better. If you don't know anything about modifying weapons, you might as well go with the rules. |
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Jun 2 2004, 05:31 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
I'll go with Aus on this one.
Although I thought an integral laser system didn't negate the barrel option. And yes Virginia, you can go out and buy an underbarrel laser sight and/or high power tac light today -- but the technology gets lost in 56 years. -Siege |
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Jun 2 2004, 05:41 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
And then there's this. Unlike the rifles with built-in TV sets, this one's not an imagemanip either.
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Jun 2 2004, 05:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
...What the bloody hell IS that?! It looks like they took about 1/3 of one of those gadgets you see in an optometrist's office and stuck it on an MP5... |
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Jun 2 2004, 05:52 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I was going to say something about giving frenchmen german weapons, but decided against it, just because this looks really cool. (13E Regiment de Dragons Parachutistes training in Sweden)
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Jun 2 2004, 05:58 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Most underrated weapon in the Shadowrun game:
Your Brain. |
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Jun 2 2004, 05:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 24-May 04 Member No.: 6,354 |
I've seen some of the brains of players out there. Trust me, they're not underrated. ;)
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Jun 2 2004, 06:13 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Take a look at this illumination system. While I won't vouch for whether or not it's actually seen combat in a configuration like that, I think it is a testament to what people can and will attach to their weapons. -Siege |
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Jun 2 2004, 06:18 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
As we all know, the absolute minimum modifications you need for any shoulder arm are:
Reflex sight, thermal imaging scope, backup iron sights, visible laser, IR laser, visible light, IR light, sound suppressor, underbarrel GL, bipod, vertical foregrip. Plus low-light & thermographic goggles. That's IRL. In SR, you've got to add at least the smartlink, rangefinder, guncam, ultrasound sight & goggles and replace the reflex sight with a magnifying scope (because reflex sights do not exist in SR). |
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Jun 2 2004, 06:23 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
Obviously, "Dragons Parachutistes" is French for "Sasquatches With Guns". ("Para-" as in "paranormal", plus "chutistes", "shootists". I don't know where the dragons come in. Maybe Lofwyr hired them.) |
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Jun 2 2004, 09:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
...Cool because they're in the arctic? *rimshot* :grinbig: |
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Jun 2 2004, 09:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 665 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 5,834 |
Might not be a weapon but I'd say Riot Shields are extremely overlooked. They're bulky and hard to conceal, true, but it's also legal so it's conceal isn't as critical as with weapons. And adding several additional points of armor of both types is a huge help. Finally if you're not a melee expert, it adds 2 to each person's tn in melee combat (we houseruled that when going full-defense the defender has no penalty) and if it does put your armor rating above quickness enough for a penalty, dropping it's a free action after you use it's armor to help you soak, meaning no penalty when you counter-attack if he's got more initiative than you.
I've seen some interesting things done with a blowgun too. Drug delivery, silent as the grave, conceal 7, and it only costs 10 Nuyen (It's needles are really cheap too). If it didn't need it's own cursed skill I'd think it was great, but as is only a few character types can spare the skill to use one like that. |
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Jun 2 2004, 10:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 191 Joined: 10-May 04 Member No.: 6,316 |
Riiight. Loaded crossbow are legal to carry around many cities today. Try it some time. |
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Jun 2 2004, 10:01 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Shields may be legal, but you're going to get questions carrying a riot shield around town.
~J |
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Jun 2 2004, 10:40 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Where's it say that the laser sight takes up the barrel mount? Is that even possible? I can't remember reading anything about that and the picture of it from Street Samurai Catalogue had it using the underbarrel mount IIRC. |
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Jun 2 2004, 10:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 162 Joined: 14-April 04 Member No.: 6,239 |
:shock: :notworthy: :vegm: Man I'm so all over this next game session |
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Jun 2 2004, 11:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 162 Joined: 14-April 04 Member No.: 6,239 |
BTW I mentioned super flash nades earlier but I also used them a couple of sessions ago to take out a low hovering Lone Star chopper that was pesting us. I thrown two of these bad boys on top of the building we were trapped in and blam the pilot and the sniper (who was looking at the blast thru a 3x scope) were blind and stunned. The chopper crashed and blew without a box done to it.
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Jun 3 2004, 01:53 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
And this is why you leave the autopilot on in combat if you won't need to do much maneuvering.
~J |
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Jun 3 2004, 02:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 191 Joined: 10-May 04 Member No.: 6,316 |
It's also why SOP is for your choppers to do passes instead of hover. Hovering when there are hostiles on the ground = death. (as you illustrate)
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Jun 3 2004, 02:40 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
And also if the man in the chopper was a sniper, why the hell didn't he just stay outside the range of all the weapons you were likely to carry while staying well inside the range of his rifle, say 800 meters.
You don't use a sniper to perform close range combat if theres not a reason for it. :P |
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