 Lip-reading?, Active, knowledge, or language? |
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 Jun 4 2004, 12:32 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 187 Joined: 30-April 04 Member No.: 6,294  |
What classification would a skill for lip-reading come under? I say it'd be language, but my players ganged up on me and called it a knowledge.
What do you guys think? |
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Jun 4 2004, 12:36 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
I'd call it a knowledge skill, but the test would be perception with the knowledge skill as complimentary.
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Jun 4 2004, 12:42 AM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
I'd also say you get the Object not Obvious (+4) modifier if you're untrainned in reading lips.
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Jun 4 2004, 12:47 AM
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Dialect.
Because it's kind of hard to read someone's lips where they're speaking Greek, and you don't. |
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Jun 4 2004, 12:58 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I'll go with the dialect as well, combined with "Object not obvious" modifiers should they not have the skill. And I'd include all vision modifiers for the Lip Reading test.
[edit] I don't make them take a Perception test to hear unless the situation warrants, so I'll be consistent and not require one here either. This post has been edited by Kanada Ten: Jun 4 2004, 01:36 AM |
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Jun 4 2004, 01:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 187 Joined: 30-April 04 Member No.: 6,294 |
Hmmm... That's what I thought. Danke.
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Jun 4 2004, 01:19 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
Hmm. I think I'd just make it a test against the base language skill (specializing allowed), with a hefty TN penalty (+4 or so).
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Jun 4 2004, 01:54 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Well I can offer some advice, since I'm tone deaf. ironically from shooting guns at a young age. I read lips partially to augment my missing hearing, most people never notice.
Lip reading can not get you all of a conversation. Period. Even professionals miss out on thongs because a lot of words look identical in mouth movements and differ in tounge only, which you cant tell by reading lips. I'd say you can get 80% of a converstion max. |
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Jun 4 2004, 02:14 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 24-May 04 Member No.: 6,354 |
Knowledge Skill handled exactly like Aura Reading. If successful, you still have to make a Language Skill test to actually understand what you read.
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Jun 4 2004, 04:03 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,362 Joined: 3-October 03 From: Poway, San Diego County, CA, USA Member No.: 5,676 |
Language.
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Jun 4 2004, 07:46 AM
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I am not here... Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 80 Joined: 21-May 04 From: Deepest Darkest Wales Member No.: 6,349 |
First you have language, then you have read write and then you have lip reading.
I hadn't had a problem with it until you brought it up but if the player wants it, give it as a sub category of EACH language and make them pay the Karma for each language. |
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Jun 4 2004, 08:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-April 04 From: Chicago, IL...Ich vermisse Deutschland. Member No.: 6,230 |
It depends on the language. There are some languages out there (German) that have more throat sounds than other languages. It's hard to tell some things. Other things have similar sounds, such as s, ss, and ß. The read/write portion should help due to actually figuring out what the word is.
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Jun 4 2004, 09:39 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
Active. It's a live-fire skill, done under imperfect conditions, and generally never perfect. I'd take Doc Rat's advice, and require an additional language skill roll to make sure you actually comprehend it.
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