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post Jun 4 2004, 02:30 PM
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Ok the group's rigger has did it to me again and decided to be extra sick and sadistic. :S

He's taking his car back to his workshop and trying to mount retractable spears on the front end. He's also trying to fasten a chainsaw onto a rotodrone or a VTOL just so he can have it ram into people and gut them. Same for the car, he wants it to have a few pig stickers up front so he can 'crash' into problematic pedestrians, or impale other cars to stab the occupants.


Firstly what would the TNs to install stuff like this, and secondly How would I handle damage codes, and speed, and if these weapons break. and Thirdly conceal rating and legality issues.
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post Jun 4 2004, 03:49 PM
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That's kind of like sticking a bayonet on your sniper rifle. It may look cool but it makes as much sense as a screen door on a submarine! :D
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post Jun 4 2004, 04:08 PM
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Also, imagine for a second that he's successful in installing these spears and that he impales some pedestrians. They'd be ATTACHED to the car now and it's hard to make a getaway in something that conspicuous. You could shake the persuers only to pass some random LS squad car, they call in, and BOOM. You're right back where you started.
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post Jun 4 2004, 04:20 PM
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I think a better analogy is a bayonet on a sledgehammer. If you're going to hit someone with a car, does it really matter that the car is pointy?
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post Jun 4 2004, 04:20 PM
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That's a very, very good point.
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post Jun 4 2004, 04:23 PM
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I know; I'm pretty sharp like that.
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post Jun 4 2004, 04:28 PM
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Something else to note. Chainsaws will go through flesh pretty well, but its a different story when it hits bone. The chain could slip or break from the sudden change. At least that's what I've heard. :)
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post Jun 4 2004, 04:53 PM
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Why the front? Why not on the wheel spokes, where you can cause other wheeled vehicles to spin out of control upon a good sideswipe and yet reduce the risk of getting totaled?
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post Jun 4 2004, 04:57 PM
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Till said spike rips off and impales your car or wheel. broadside mounted firearms are much better suited for this.
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post Jun 4 2004, 05:03 PM
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So is a pop up microturret with an SMG.
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post Jun 4 2004, 05:10 PM
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If it can aim low enough. get a high ground clearance and mount it underneath.
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post Jun 4 2004, 05:16 PM
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Meh. I'd rather not mount turrents underneath...limits them a lot. It's more worth it to get something like This.
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post Jun 4 2004, 06:32 PM
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Balls to that. If you're going to do it, do it right.
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post Jun 4 2004, 07:30 PM
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I've also wondered about what the effect of spears and battering rams would be. One of my riggers has converted a Garbage truck into his combat wagon. All the goodies, etc. But one of the things he did was had the front-loader tines sharpened and dikoted. He also put motors on them so he can rotate them from horizontal to vertical.

Unfortunetly, I've never had a chance to use him yet, but he looks great on the pages and pages of paper.

Stabbing into a car with them makes it as easy to lift as a dumpster is, which has some fun effects, but what kind of damage would these things really do? At creeping speeds, like a garbage truck normally does, and at ramming speeds.

I don't think normal ramming rules really apply to using something specifically made like this. They're more for cars that happen to be ramming, which would be much more common.
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post Jun 4 2004, 07:43 PM
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Well, from the way I understand what happens when a bus hits a car, if a dump truck hit a car it really wouldn't take enough damage to scrape the paint. And I don't think the spikes themselves would do significant damage (though hitting the thing would obviously make a mark), but picking the car up after impalement... well now that would just be funny.

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post Jun 5 2004, 01:54 AM
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The torque from starting a chainsaw is likely to flip over a flying drone. Imagine his first test when it goes out of control nearby.
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post Jun 5 2004, 02:19 AM
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QUOTE (GreatChicken @ Jun 4 2004, 12:16 PM)
Meh. I'd rather not mount turrents underneath...limits them a lot. It's more worth it to get something like This.

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Balls to that. If you're going to do it, do it right.


*DROOL* :love: I know what MY rigger/sam wants for Christmas...
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post Jun 5 2004, 02:24 AM
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QUOTE (Phaeton)


*DROOL* :love: I know what MY rigger/sam wants for Christmas...

Hah. Forget that. I know what I want for Christmas. :D
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post Jun 5 2004, 02:27 AM
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QUOTE (Capt. Dave)
QUOTE (Phaeton @ Jun 4 2004, 09:19 PM)


*DROOL* :love: I know what MY rigger/sam wants for Christmas...

Hah. Forget that. I know what I want for Christmas. :D

Oh? Tell. What could possibly beat a minigun-equipped assault van with taser-and-flamethrower anti-theft system that manages to pass most inspections?
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post Jun 5 2004, 02:41 AM
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QUOTE (Phaeton @ Jun 4 2004, 09:27 PM)

Oh? Tell. What could possibly beat a minigun-equipped assault van with taser-and-flamethrower anti-theft system that manages to pass most inspections?

No, no, you got me wrong. I'm just saying forget my samurai character, I want that for Christmas. :)

Edit: Plus photovoltaic paint.
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post Jun 5 2004, 03:31 AM
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...Oh. :D :P Don't mind me. It's 11:16 here and I am BUSHED!

P.S.: Political reference not intended. :rotfl: :spin:
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post Jun 5 2004, 09:18 PM
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If the spear retract, it'd be pretty easy to get pedestrians off. Although, if you wanted to kill pedestrians, you could just slam into them going 60.
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post Jun 5 2004, 09:36 PM
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What kind of sick bastard would even think of something as insane as a chainsaw mounted on an aerial drone for the specific purpose of flying up to people and gutting them?!? Am I the only one here who thinks this is messed up beyond repair?

QUOTE (Any Game Session)

GM: Ok, RiggerP, your turn. What do you do?
Player 1: I'll fly up to PedestrianXIV and try to park my ChainsawDrone in his face.
GM: Uhm...
[Awkward silence]
Player 2: I get as far away from RiggerP as I can, delete his number from my pocket secretary, and schedule a session with my shrink as soon as possible.
Player 3: Ditto!



No. Just... No.
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post Jun 5 2004, 09:39 PM
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Why? Is it any worse then just walking up to someone and chainsawing them? Sometimes you have to do what you have to do and sometimes a chainsaw is all that is at hand. It is no worse then a dikoted katana or a bat.
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post Jun 5 2004, 09:49 PM
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It just seems that this player is going out of his way to provide some people with a very painful and macabre death, cruel in ways that are just uncalled for. For chirsts sake, just put a gun on a car or a drone and use that. It'd be much more efficient, and much quicker. Why on earth would anybody want to turn his car into a meatwagon other than for cheap shock and gore effects? There's nothing even remotely practical or reasonable behind it, unless he's looking to turn the next game session into a splatterfest. It's just sick, and not very original.

Impractical, inefficient, sick, sadistic. Definitely not in the same ballpark as "Sometimes you have to do what you have to do and sometimes a chainsaw is all that is at hand", since there's actually a lot of better options at hand. Guns. Vehicle mounted. With sensor enhanced gunnery.
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