 Heh Rayman, check it out., Check it out ! Taser Bullets ??? |
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:eek: Hoi Chummer, thought you might get a kick out of this one. When Science Fiction becomes Science Fact. :D
http://www.discover.com/issues/jun-04/rd/e...ets-save-lives/ Fades to Black QM. |
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Jun 4 2004, 09:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 476 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Fresno, CFS: taking out one durned furriner at a time. Member No.: 5,940 |
So, in effort to pull it to SR... does John LeBourgeois win Dunk's nonlethal bequest some 50 years before he dies? :P
My second thought is... okay, one shot does 50k volts and does bad things to muscles and nervous systems to shutdown the individual. Would that really be much of a difference in the case that supposedly inspired this guy? 40 rounds before he hit the floor? Um... that much stun overflow, even at one box a stage... Guess Mr. Amadou Diallo would have had to have been a Troll. :rotate: |
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Jun 4 2004, 10:02 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Gun. Raygun. Though I do find the image of a machinegun toting, armless, legless cartoon character vaguely amusing.
In any case, point about the Diallo case was that they could've put him down with one round had they had Shockrounds, or so the advertisements claim. Of course, lots of people would suggest that cops just be better trained, but that's neither here nor there. |
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Jun 4 2004, 10:35 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
True. Their marksmanship in the Diallo case was horrible.
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Jun 4 2004, 10:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 191 Joined: 10-May 04 Member No.: 6,316 |
Yep. By being better trained they coulda saved the taxpayers almost $5 in bullets.
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Jun 4 2004, 10:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
Well, and not killed the guy, which some would consider more valuable.
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Jun 4 2004, 10:53 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Without video evidence, it is impossible to determine what actually happened.
However, if Mr. Diallo did something like reach in a pocket while turning around, most cops would assume that to be a threatening gesture. Especially in the face of three officers with drawn weapons. Now, since we don't have video evidence, it's equally possible the officers opened fire without any provocation and were just incompetent. However, the fact remains the marksmanship was atrocious, especially for close quarters work. -Siege |
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Jun 4 2004, 10:57 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Not to mention that 40 rounds on target and many more off tends to ring false with most people as professional, cool headed action.
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Jun 4 2004, 10:58 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
And not discharged so many rounds, endangering innocent bystanders which are relatively abundant in urban settings. But the $5 dollars in expended ammo counts too. -Siege |
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Jun 4 2004, 11:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
3 cops managed to put 40 rounds into him. I'm assuming nobody stopped to reload just to be a dick about it. Allowing for high capacity magazines that's, what, 5 missed shots? Hardly "many more off."
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Jun 4 2004, 11:51 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
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Jun 5 2004, 12:04 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
More info here.
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Jun 5 2004, 12:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 197 |
Ah. Discover needs to realize that “the police put 40 bullets in him before he hit the ground" is not the same as "the police fired 40 bullets at him before he hit the ground."
But it sounds more dramatic, so run with it. It's only news after all. |
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Jun 5 2004, 01:11 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
Put these puppers in an Ares Alpha and street sams REALLY have the playing field levelled for them against spirits. :grinbig:
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Jun 5 2004, 01:19 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 752 |
NYPD is one of the worst places a cop would work for. At the time all the weapons they issued or authorized were fed a standard pressure 115gr. 9mm Ball from 15-shot magazines. 9mm is NYPD's only authorized cartridge and police departments are notorious for cutting weapons training at any budget crunch.
The four cops at the diallo shooting carried a Glock 19 (with modified horrible NY heavy trigger), 2 Sig-Sauer P-226 (DAO) and a S&W 5946 (horrible DAO). I wouldn't feel comfortable if the only choices i had in sidearms were DAO 9mm FMJ, and it gives me the feeling that their training program is little more than spray n pray. http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/phase3.html about the Taser Bullet, he says he has yet to test it. nuff said. |
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Jun 5 2004, 01:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
What does DAO mean, again?
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Jun 5 2004, 01:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 407 Joined: 22-March 04 Member No.: 6,183 |
Double Action Only
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Jun 5 2004, 01:43 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Double Action Only. It means the gun lacks a cocking hammer and can be pulled without cocking the hammer first. A DA and DAO pull are significantly heavier than a SA (Single Action) pull. By comparison, a SA requires the hammer to be manually cocked before firing the first shot. A SA has a much lighter pull than the DAO. A DA/SA is a combination of the two, allowing the shooter either to fire without a hammer cock or to cock the hammer, enabling the lighter pull. As a side note: You'd think agencies would save weapons training as the last place to skimp, given the bad PR and inevitable lawsuits that arise from accidental or indiscriminate fire. -Siege |
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Jun 5 2004, 01:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
@ Capt. Dave/Siege: Ahhhh, right...Thanks!
Back to the drifted topic...*sigh* I guess they get more target practice on-duty than in training. :dead: |
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Jun 5 2004, 01:53 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Poor standards in training require more initiative from officers to keep their weapons skills sharp.
Unforunately, expecting officers to pursue such training outside of department mandate is more of an ideal than any real basis in fact. As I understand it, most departments handle weapons training like a college course -- you take it and then move on to your next course. Given how mission-critical this happens to be, I would expect a heavier emphasis on such duties. -Siege |
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Jun 5 2004, 02:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 407 Joined: 22-March 04 Member No.: 6,183 |
Maybe it's because I live in a small Ga. town, but 90% of the officers here train
with weapons a lot. Our S.W.A.T. team is made up of beat officers, and I know they keep up their training. Oddly enough, they've only had to shoot one person. Most of them feel that if they have to use their weapons, they should be able to use them effectively. Hell, they'll get a few of them together at the range off duty to practice for fun. |
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Jun 5 2004, 02:03 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Another Georgia geek -- glad to meet you. :grinbig:
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Jun 5 2004, 02:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 407 Joined: 22-March 04 Member No.: 6,183 |
Same here :D
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Jun 5 2004, 02:09 AM
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I don't know what towns or even what states these posters were from, but I can say that that is exactly what I'd expect from the police in my town, and I don't think it's an uncommon phenomenon. Certainly, there is more to being a cop than shooting straight, but that's really no excuse. |
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Jun 5 2004, 02:16 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
It's not especially surprising given how little firearms training is given in some areas.
However, I choose to console myself with the idea that these are the exception and not the rule. Yes, I have a first class ticket to denial. -Siege |
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