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 Magic and Ware, Stiffer Penalties for the Awakened |
 Aug 26 2003, 07:33 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 6-August 03 Member No.: 5,327  |
I'm curious what you all think about Awakened characters having ware. Personally, it's a peeve of mine and I think there should be more severe penalties for it than there currently are.
While it's easy enough to have a Shaman's totem get all snippy, which is never a good thing, how can Adepts and Hermetics get a likewise kick in the ass? I'm considering an increased difficulty in Initiating, as in more karma and more IC effort, or perhaps a cap on how high an Awakened can Initiate with ware, or increase the BI loss, or severely restricting access to the astral planes/making spirits more hostile until the ware is removed. Initiation is supposed to reflect a greater dedication to magic. To me, that means ditching the 'quick fix' benefits of ware. You sacrifice some things because the magic is more important. Anyone who wishes to 'taint' their magic ability should suffer for it. So, opinions? |
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Aug 26 2003, 07:44 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 |
:noflame: (just anticipating :D)
SR3 rewrote just about every old glitch and loophole of combining 'ware and spells. No longer can spells stack on top of adept abilities stack on top of bio: now the choice must be made to 'ware or not to 'ware, and even the physical magician ends up no faster or stronger than their mundane counterparts. This leaves, what: encephalons, cerebral boosters, trauma dampers, the traditional cybereyes? Not imbalancing, I don't think ... although I'm all for shamans especially being required by their totems and their life's paths to minimise or abjure 'ware altogether. (shrug) Personal opinion, is all. Regardless of initiation, the penalty to astral time for non physmages is permanent. Too much 'ware, and the magician is going to lose a significant part of their abilities. |
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Aug 26 2003, 09:00 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
To each their own I suppose. I always have some cyber in my Shamanic character. There aren't alot of Totems that mind cyberware, I believe only Eagle and Unicorn? Any GM-Interpretation of a Totem dis-like is, well...., purely GM-Interpretation. Seems kinda pointless to play in a cyber-genre with just magic though (I realize that's just a personal point of view).
Regardless, I'd sugegst making sure the players were aware of their Universe's sudden dislike for cyber-in-mages attitude. Sphynx |
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Aug 26 2003, 09:32 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
I disallow gaesa
POW! THE CONSEQUENCES! |
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Aug 26 2003, 09:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 186 Joined: 30-January 03 From: Redlands, CA Member No.: 3,996 |
I dont see anything wrong with the way SR3 handles magic and "ware," it is pretty balanced IMHO. If you think about it, bioware reduced your effective magic rating by 1, and that point of magic can't be geased away either. Even if the said piece of bioware has a bio index of .1, you still effectively loss one point of magic. Now magic lost to cyber on the other hand can be geased off, but the GM must enforce the gease, that is the only real way to penalize the character that has magic and cyber. Some "ware" is broken when combined with magic, but there is always away the GM can get the player using that combination :vegm: .
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Aug 27 2003, 12:02 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Combining magic and cyber/bioware just doesn't bother me much. Physical adepts lose points to get powers with, mages are more likely to take physical drain, and SR3 cleared up a lot of earlier loopholes. The penalties are annoying enough already, especially the big "you stand to permanently lose your magic if you wire up like a samurai." Mages and adepts aren't going to be stacking up bioware and cyberware like a samurai, which is limitation enough. Personally, I've always kinda wanted to make a "full borg" mage with 5 essence worth of cyberware - something about the idea of magical energies crackling over a cyberarm as a spell is readied is intriguing to me. Of course, none of my characters ever have the millions of nuyen needed to pull that off. |
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Aug 27 2003, 07:01 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
No great loss to me, as I have yet to play an awakened character that takes a Gaes of any kind. It's not worth it in the long run, if you ever plan to get rid of the Gaes in the future. |
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