 Bounty Hunters., hey!! Where the Pay meat. |
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 Jun 12 2004, 02:41 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853  |
how many GM's out there have put bounties on there own players head or just had the elements of bounty hunters in there game?
I use them as possible enemies or just a good " Gots Damnit i gotta run to redmond or thos bastard are going to cash in on me." |
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Jun 12 2004, 03:31 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 84 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 699 |
Can't say that I've ever put a bounty on a player's head before. :D |
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Jun 12 2004, 03:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 2,074 |
It's happened several times in my games, but it wasn't meant as a penalty but rather as a story device. Well, except for this one time when the players got their faces taped by a security camera - which is why they're quite wary of cameras now. But lately, there hasn't been a need for me to rely on bounties to drive plots on - my players have been through this enough.
;) [Edited to sound less like the grammar police] |
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Jun 12 2004, 04:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853 |
Edited!!!!
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Jun 12 2004, 04:22 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 22-January 04 Member No.: 6,001 |
My team got bounties put on their heads. I think it was for shooting a group of cops. But that wasn't the best part. After they got prices put on our heads we decided to try to kill 2 birds with one stone. We were going to have a player who didn't have a price on his head try to collect the bounty for the other 2. We found 2 strangers who had a passing resemblance to the wanted men messed them up, killed them, then dressed 'em up in the wanted men's clothes. I walked in to the bar where the exchange was supposed to take place when it all blew up in my face. The guy who was there to pay out for the bounty was the bodygaurd of the last Johnson we worked for. Unfortunately he recognized me, fire fight ensues. Thank God he didn't bring any backup.
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Jun 12 2004, 05:34 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,632 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Portland Oregon, USA Member No.: 1,304 |
"Fuckin'" is the correct spelling |
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Jun 12 2004, 05:49 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Really? I would have thought "fucking" is the more appropriate spelling. Fancy that. -Siege |
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Jun 12 2004, 05:55 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Actually AFAIK The only time an actual bounty hunter will ever come after you is if you jump bail. Otherwise it's kidnapping. Bounty hunters are a (kinda) legal occupation.
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Jun 12 2004, 05:56 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
I thought bounty hunters could also collect on "wanted fugitives"? Such as the FBI's ten most wanted, etc.? -Siege |
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 Jun 12 2004, 06:24 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,632 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Portland Oregon, USA Member No.: 1,304 |
That is also correct, but no more so than the contraction that I typed. You obviously missed the apostrophe in "fuckin'". It's easy to do with the quotes there. |
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Jun 12 2004, 06:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 2,074 |
One. Grammar issues have been put aside via PM. No more discussion necessary. Thank you. Two. One way how my players dealt with bounty hunters was to fake their own deaths. They thought about it, then realized that it would mean giving up their reputation, most of their stuff, their connections... the final decision was to fake their death, and then relocate to England. I've re-used similar scenarios to relocate runner teams ever since, to great success. Of course, added fun ensues when the dreaded Andrea McBain finds out her mark isn't dead at all, but running errands for a certain Hr. Schmidt. Of course, this scenario plays just as well the other way around...
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Jun 12 2004, 06:28 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Not as far as I can find. Bounty Hunters do not have any special rights or priveleges unless they are under contract from a bail bond company for the return of a fugitive apparently. They are contracted to aquire specific people. They may go freelance in the cases of criminals that have a reward placed on their arrest, but that would never be a reliable source of income as most of those rewards never even know the target, as they are of the "reward for the arrest and conviction of whoever blahbedly blah" because thr perp is not known. After searching I could not find any records of a bounty hunter having nabbed an FBI top 10. For more info see: http://www.77investigators.com/bounty.html http://jobprofiles.monster.com/Content/job...l?jobprofiles=1 Apparently by definition the "Bounty hunters" are really only employed by bail bondsmen. Every web site I found, dozens of then supported only that view. That doesn't mean it's 100% accurate, but it should indicate something. |
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Jun 12 2004, 06:45 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
I didn't say it was a good living, just that you could do it. :grinbig:
As you pointed out, most rewards are based on "information leading to arrest and conviction of", although the FBI specifies "leading to the arrest of". And I found this while perusing the topic online. :grinbig: ROFL And a vaguely more coherent "professional" bounty hunter transcript here. But Bit is absolutely correct -- the modern day "bounty hunter" is a bail bondsman. Nothing prohibits the bounty hunter from free-lancing wanted criminals for the reward money, but that is open to anyone and not the exclusive domain of bounty hunters, per se. -Siege Edit: It should be noted that the special arrest powers of bounty hunters only apply when in pursuit of specific bail jumpers and do not translate as broad-based arrest or law enforcement powers. |
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Jun 12 2004, 06:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 2,074 |
And then there's the National Institute Of Bail Enforcement... God, I'm such a sucker for smart acronyms.
But so far, I can also second what BitBasher said. Question is, who'd realistic BHs in Shadowrun work for? |
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Jun 12 2004, 06:57 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Going by the bail bondsmen definition, they'd work for anyone who offers bail. You can still commit crimes, be arrested and be bailed out in Seattle. Granted, the whole extra-territoriality scenario is an additional headache. Otherwise, I'd imagine a large number of criminals would have "reward for information of", especially given the number of sources that could come from. In that instance, a "bounty hunter" could afford to free-lance full time, investigating and supplying the necessary information necessary for the arrest. Although in this category, they function more like private investigators than bounty hunters, even if they are "hunting the bounty." -Siege |
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Jun 12 2004, 07:09 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
According to the Lone Star Sourcebook, in Seattle they would work for Lone Star. Lone Star owns the bail bond business in the Seattle 'Plex. Theres a short section in the sourcebook about it. Apparently it isn't a fantastic way to make a living.
While I agree they could do this it's a piss poor idea. The fact of the matter is that the the vast, vast majority of rewards given to somoeone in those cases are friends/family of the perp that sell them out for the reward money. The police dont even really track down people sucessfully like that. they rely on tips and calls, things the bounty hunter doesnt have access to, because he's trying to collect the same reward, not offer his own for info. It's possiblr but financially stupid, except in the rare case where he's magically active and can get his hand on material or sympathetic links.
A bounty hunter has to work a LOT harder for anyinfo since he doesnt have the media backing him up and he cant afford to offer big rewards for info. |
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Jun 12 2004, 07:13 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
There have been numerous speculations about quasi-legitimate work for down-turn runners, but the three big ones:
Collections Agents Private Detectives Skip Tracers Bodyguards *There isn't a legal recognition of this job occuptation, per se, but anyone licensed to carry a gun could, concievably, sell themselves as such. Private Security Guard *one way of becoming licensed to carry a weapon "on the job" -Siege |
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Jun 12 2004, 07:28 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
You realize you just said "The three big ones" then listed five things right? :D
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Jun 12 2004, 07:30 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Wait, I'm required to be coherent? Sense when? :grinbig: -Siege |
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Jun 12 2004, 08:53 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 3-May 04 Member No.: 6,299 |
Thats why theres a fine line between "bail bondsman" and "bounty hunter" A bail bondsman will generally not rough you up (much), and will often have the co-operation of local law enforcment. Bounty hunters tend to gravitate towards the shadier side of dealings such as organised crime, "off the book" bounties, etc. Guess which one is more fun for use in game. :D |
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Jun 13 2004, 12:24 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Um no neon, that's not right, click the link on the sites that were linked to. By definition a bounty hunter is paid by a bail bondsman to recover someone that jumped bail. A bail bondsman is the person that provides the bail for the person who cannot afford it. A bail bondsman is a business owner that doesnt do anything to track anyone down except hire a bounty hunter and pay him if he is sucessful. I dont know what word you were looking for, bail bondsman wasnt it. The literal definition of bounty hunter is one who tracks down and returns for a fee those who skip bail.
It's been romanticized badly by the butchering the phrase took in movies like Star Wars. Boba fett was NOT a bounty hunter, he was a mercenary. |
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Jun 13 2004, 12:34 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Well, technically I think bounty hunters started as free-lancers. They collected bounties placed on wanted outlaws in the "Old West." In modern society, they are restricted to and are, in fact, bail bond enforcement. So technically, Bobba Fett was a bounty hunter. :grinbig: -Siege |
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Jun 13 2004, 01:08 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
He was a Mercenary, or really a thug, he was hired to hunt down Han after he racked up a debt to an organized crime figure.
While I'm at it.... :D Boba Fett was everyone's bitch. He didn't do anything competent except get is ass kicked by a blind man. Other authors wrote about him after the fact, which doesnt make him anything more than a gimp that was in the right place at the right time. He was a scrub. Remember, only the movies are officially canon according to lucas. And in the movies he was pretty pathetic, although he had cool looking armor. |
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Jun 13 2004, 02:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 407 Joined: 22-March 04 Member No.: 6,183 |
If a person "hunts" someone for the "bounty" on his/her head, he's only after them for the aforementioned bounty. So he's effectively hunting a bounty. Hence, bounty hunter.
Sure, most bounty hunters nowadays are paid by a bail-bondsman to capture bailjumpers, but if you hunt bounty, no matter who sets it, you're a bounty hunter. Geez, that's a lot of bounties... |
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Jun 13 2004, 03:03 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
I can't believe you could say such things. Heretic! :P ...And while I'm at it: In SR, I got the impression that Bounty Hunters were individuals that hunted people for money, dead or alive. Just like Siege said (I think. I only skimmed that post). I just don't get that bounty hunters in SR are just BailBondCorp™ off the book lackies (read: Shadowrunners) that bring in evil doers (read: Shadowrunners) so justice can be served. ;) Boring. :sleepy: |
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