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 Shadows of Europe, A question |
 Jun 21 2004, 08:53 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 7-March 04 Member No.: 6,130  |
What exactly is going to be in Shadows of Europe? I mainly want to know how much it has on London and the UK.
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Jun 21 2004, 08:55 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
If they told you, you'd be the target of an interdiction run.
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Jun 21 2004, 09:01 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 42 Joined: 7-March 04 Member No.: 6,130 |
I cower before the power of your awesome wit and intellect :please: Not only are you funny, you're original too. Yes, I know you're joking (at least I hope so) but come on, it was a serious question. |
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Jun 21 2004, 09:02 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Point is, nobody that can tell you, will. the book isn't out just yet.
The ones that would, obviously can't for the same reason. BTW, didn't mean to be a jerk, just one of those days. |
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Jun 21 2004, 09:07 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
To quote myself in another thread, and without giving anything away:
The UK gets one of the larger chapters and is fully compatible with the old London sb (in fact fans who own that are sure to have a ball seeing how things developed in the intervening decade). London gets a visit but so do a number of other locations. |
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Jun 21 2004, 09:33 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
It it will be out....when?
I'm not nagging. I'm being good, please please. |
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Jun 21 2004, 09:34 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
HEY!!!!! |
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Jun 21 2004, 09:42 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
LOL. It's not what you think. At least I don't think it is what you think. It's unlikely it is what anyone thinks. Though it might be what you think if your thinking is twisted enough. SoE is like that in places. The French guys outdid even me in digging up the past...
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Jun 21 2004, 09:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
...:?
I'm confused... Should I stay out of this? |
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Jun 22 2004, 02:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: 29-March 03 From: Tir Tarngiere Member No.: 4,353 |
Is there anything on Germany, or should I just try to pick up the old Germany Sourcebook for SR2 (or will Germany be getting their own book)?
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Jun 22 2004, 02:27 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
Snow Fox's family is from France. I believe she said she is first generation American. Just a little bit of an inside joke. |
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Jun 22 2004, 02:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
Ahhhhhh...Got it!
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Jun 22 2004, 02:35 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
That and Synner's been teasing me, without violating the code of silence, about this for what seems like years.
He's proving that dispite the sterotype, some guys can keep the foreplay going for a LONG time. |
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Jun 22 2004, 03:32 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
Well I'll tell you he has kept me excited about it. But really I am excited about any SR book, so it isn't much of a victory to keep me excited. I like bugs.
I don't know what it is but I am very excited to see some more stuff on Proteus AG. I have been fascinated with that company for awhile, even with the lack of info in English for it. |
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Jun 22 2004, 04:07 AM
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Guests |
Four and counting. |
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Jun 22 2004, 07:06 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Please don't remind me. This is the longest pregnancy I've ever seen ;) |
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Jun 22 2004, 07:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-April 04 From: Chicago, IL...Ich vermisse Deutschland. Member No.: 6,230 |
Synner said something that SoE will use some of the new Germany sourcebook which they released in German. Believe me, having read some of the stuff from Germany and their German only books, there are massive changes, like the change of Berlin, rise of Proteus, death of Nachtmeister, disapperance of a king, Westphalen under siege by Shedim...there's a lot from the new Germany sourcebook that I imagine will appear in the SoE. The old Germany Sourcebook is interesting though. I'd pick it up just on principle. Don |
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Jun 22 2004, 07:44 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Please note that DiDS2 (the "new" German sb in German) is 350 pages long and gives a far more detailed look at Germany than we could ever hope to fit in a SoNA-sized chapter in SoE. On the other hand a lot of the stuff in the German sourcebooks is very specific and would require more than a passing knowledge of the country to get the full use out of it. I'd also like to note that not all the background in American and German canon prior to FanPro's take over of the line was compatible. Several changes were made to the German material in the English language Germany sb from what was in the original DidS sb (and some of the latter German books too). A lot of effort went into resolving the inconsistencies. Some of the results are already visible in DotSW (see Kaltenstein, Nebelherr and Feuerschwinge), others will be in SoE.
SoE contains some of the major threads and developments from DiDS (but nowhere near all of them) and describes the situation as of 2064 (including several updates for the German fans). As with London and TNO anyone possessing the original sourcebook will have the opportunity to see how things evolved in the past decade and those books could be considered non-essential complements to SoE; just like CalFree, TT and NAGNA complement SoNA. |
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Jun 22 2004, 11:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bangkok (sometimes Paris) Member No.: 332 |
Don't worry. I think Synner got over himself trying to summarize the complexities of the French chapter (please note the French natural haughtiness in this sentence ;) ). Don't try to see anything relevant in those few words. 8) Now please look at the red light... *Zap!* |
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Jun 22 2004, 12:54 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Not to sounds ethnocentric, by why does Germany rate a 350 pg book, to be released in German only? Is there some movement inside FanPro lbent on making those of use who play in the US jealous or something? Seems rather silly to go through the trouble of running up a print and limit it to any one language. This holds true for any SR book, there is no reason to not print them in any language for any country that has peolpe that want to play. I don't want to learn another language just to get the scoop on more metaplots. The death of a Great Form deserves to be known by all, not just folks who happen to speak a particular language..
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Jun 22 2004, 01:00 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
Because, as I recall it, the Germans really really buy SR product. As I recall it, the game is really successful over there, I mean really succesful. SO much so that there were several source books, and a few novels.
Can anyone check me on this? |
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Jun 22 2004, 01:02 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
That's not the point. It's really successful here, but to my knowledge, every English print SR book has been translated into German. And we haven't seen an US release only, no German translation, 350 pg source book yet.
Doesn't seem balanced |
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Jun 22 2004, 01:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-April 04 From: Chicago, IL...Ich vermisse Deutschland. Member No.: 6,230 |
You are correct. Every book has been translated, to my knowledge. There were 3 sourcebooks (Chrom und Dioxin (Switzerland, Germany update, Walzer, Punks und Schwarzes Ice (Austria further updates), and DidSII (big, big, big Germany update, contains info from the other two books plus some stuff they developed) and 2 adventure books, one of which is the book Shockwaves. There's also a trilogy of novels concerning the Proteus AG and some events such as the death of that Eastern Dragon. Shadowrun over there is probably the #2 game after D&D (I may be wrong on this, but looking at the Fanpro forums, there's a lot of SR fans over there/here). The new Germany book is great. It's probably (it feels) larger than the main book, but it describes every country in the German alliance. It updates them for post-year of the comet, and it includes a lot of plot hooks and in-jokes. In-joke example: There's a bar in Düsseldorf named Campino. It's named after some rocker. You have to know German rock music to know that Campino is the lead singer of the band Die toten Hosen (the dead pants/it's pretty much dead around here, i.e. nothing to do/boring here) and to know why that's funny. There's other examples, but that and the Slippery are the only two that actually pop up, so to speak. I do have 2 gripes with the new DidSII. 1) The map looks to artistic to be useful. Better off buying or downloading a map of present day Germany and making changes. 2) You really need DidSI to know the politics, security forces, etc. This is being solved with the new Target: ADL book, but it is still a bit irksome. On the other hand, it really, really fleshes out Germany: Sachsen as mercenary kingdom, a fleshing out of the dragons in Germany, the various countries and how they have been effected by the YOTC, a real look at the culture and mentality of the region and the environment. Probably, IMHO, the best suppliment I've ever owned, aside from rules expansions. Don |
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Jun 22 2004, 01:46 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
Well we both know France should be the main chapter to properly cover her complexities. :beret: |
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Jun 22 2004, 02:29 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
You know why there are more books in German than in English? THEY SELL. That's all the reason they need to translate them. You know why there aren't copies of the German update book? Because 10 people would spend the $30-40 to buy a book on a country they probably won't actually play a single game in. Hell, the original Germany book didn't sell that well. Also why the French France sourcebook wasn't translated. Well, that and it being absolutely ridiculous about many things...
The Abstruse One |
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