 Cyberpirates: Ships or Boats? |
  |
 Jun 23 2004, 05:35 AM
Post
#1
|
|
|
Target  Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 8-July 03 Member No.: 4,893  |
Any one running/has ran a cyberpirate campaign? What did the players float in? Boat or ship? (In a technical sense, ie, boats have body/armor, ships have hull/bulwark) What model?
Most boats are pretty small, but ships seem embarrassingly large. Any ideas? |
 |
 
|
|
Jun 23 2004, 05:50 AM
Post
#2
|
|
|
Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Boat or boats. Only really big-time pirates will have ships, and those will probably be bases of operation for their boats.
~J |
|
|
|
|
Jun 23 2004, 06:37 AM
Post
#3
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 830 Joined: 3-April 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 6,215 |
Ok, I know nothing about this. What's the difference between a ship and a boat? And by that, I mean
a) what's the difference between body/armor and hull/bulwark? and b) what's the difference between ships and boats in real life? I've heard people make the differentiation before, and I've always nodded my head like I knew what they were talking about. |
|
|
|
|
Jun 23 2004, 06:51 AM
Post
#4
|
|
|
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
After a boat wieghs so much it becomes a ship.
In SR the Hull/Bullwark are the ships Body/Armor just on a grander scale. Like your Great Dragon ATGM has about as much chance of hurting a ship, as a BB gun will tak don a jumbo jet. I forget the exact converstion to give you diffenet numbers. Easier way to get the picture. If the light Naval gun will turn a APC to dust, that should show how strong the Bulwark is on a ship, since a light naval gun is a Light wound base damage on a ship scale. |
|
|
|
|
Jun 23 2004, 07:01 AM
Post
#5
|
|
|
Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Put it this way. Can you hit it with an anti-ship missile and still have sizable chunks left?
If the answer's yes, it's probably naval-scale. ~J |
|
|
|
|
Jun 23 2004, 08:07 AM
Post
#6
|
|||
|
Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
Size. Boats are small things. Ships are the great big trans-oceanic cruisers. It might help to picture the extreme ends of the scale-- a little rowboat is a boat. An aircraft carrier is a ship. Now, exactly where the line between them is drawn, I don't know. Some of the larger yachts straddle the line neatly. |
||
|
|
|
||
|
Jun 23 2004, 09:59 AM
Post
#7
|
|
|
Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
It should be noted that boat is not an explicitly technical term, and there are times where very large things are referred to as boats. eg skippers on subs are occasionally referred to as boat drivers.
|
|
|
|
|
Jun 23 2004, 10:05 AM
Post
#8
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 132 Joined: 4-May 03 Member No.: 4,535 |
i may be talking out of my ass here, but here it goes.
i always thought that a boat could not (reasonably, maybe?) be out at sea for long, whereas a ship could. Thats why i thought the early subs earned the moniker of boat, and that it stuck with them even after they gained long haul capabilities. |
|
|
|
|
Jun 23 2004, 10:08 AM
Post
#9
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 108 Joined: 15-September 03 From: Worcester, MA Member No.: 5,621 |
Something to keep in mind when talking about "ship vs boat" is that a submarine, no matter how big, is (at least in the American Navy) always referred to as a boat. I believe it has something to do with the first sub really being just a rowboat.
I also jokingly differentiate between ships and boats as the following: "A ship has a captain; a boat sails by mutual consent." Usually when I mention that, my father (a longtime US Navy vet) frowns and doesn't find it nearly as funny as I do. |
|
|
|
|
Jun 23 2004, 12:02 PM
Post
#10
|
|
|
Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
Standard distinction between a ship and a boat: A boat is small enough to be loaded onto a ship. When a sailing captain calls "Away all boats" he means that all the boats on board should be lowered into the water. Boats are the traditional way to get ashore when a harbor has no dock, and the ship anchors offshore. Life boats are boats. The captains gig is a boat.
A vessel too big to be loaded onto a ship is a ship. |
|
|
|
|
Jun 23 2004, 12:39 PM
Post
#11
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 556 Joined: 28-May 04 From: Moorhead, MN, USA Member No.: 6,367 |
I've also heard sub crewmen say something to the effect that, "This is a boat. Ships are targets." ;)
|
|
|
|
|
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 27th April 2024 - 07:56 AM |
Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.