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post Jun 24 2004, 04:06 PM
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If I have an opticam and cybered hearing, do I need a router to dump the incoming data to headware, or can I write directly?
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post Jun 24 2004, 04:08 PM
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If memory serves headware is usually all hooked up by default.
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post Jun 24 2004, 04:16 PM
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Headware and cybereyes are not part of the same system so yes, you need a router to go between your eyes, ears, and memory. If you have a datajack, the datajack acts as a mini router with 3 open ports which can also connect those three things.
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post Jun 24 2004, 04:29 PM
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Or you can kay-bosh the whole thing and say that within reason all your cyber crap can talk to eachother...Its up your GM.
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post Jun 24 2004, 04:31 PM
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Get a datajack, that acts like a router in most cases
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post Jun 24 2004, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE (KillaJ)
If memory serves headware is usually all hooked up by default.

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If memory serves headware is usually all hooked up by default.
memory doesn't serve you :D

All components of a system are automatically linked, like a cybereye and all your cybereye mods, likewise for ears. Your chipjack is always linked to your skillwires for free. Headware emmory and cybereyes are totally different systems and not always linked. Not all headware is linked for free.
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post Jun 24 2004, 04:41 PM
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Talk to your GM. Good ones will completely dismiss the headache that is the Interconnectivity rules and just go back to the way it always was in the past with your brain being the "router."

If not, just get multiple datajacks if you have more than three devices that need to be connected. Routers are a total waste of Essence and nuyen. At least multiple datajacks can come in handy from time to time.
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post Jun 24 2004, 04:44 PM
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memory doesn't serve you

It usually doesn't. Maybe that was a houserule? :)
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post Jun 24 2004, 04:51 PM
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Thanks guys. I forgot about the datajack mini-router trick.
The character in question already has a datajack, as well as cyber eyes, cyber ears, 100mp headware, and a commlink/radio/transducer. If I don't hook the radio in, the rest can be integrated through the datajack. Cool.
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post Jun 24 2004, 05:00 PM
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IF you have a transducer and a datajack, you'd be better off just plugging a standard transciever/personal comm unit in and working it that way. Saves a ton of Essence and cash, too. And if you use a pocket secretary, you gain an extra 100 Mp (or is it 200 Mp? I can't remember) of storage memory on top of that.
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post Jun 24 2004, 05:51 PM
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If I were making a troll merc, I would agree with you, but this is a face/infiltration specialist, and the wires sticking out of her head would blow the image.
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post Jun 24 2004, 05:55 PM
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Depends on where he's infiltrating. Wage Slave/Personal Assistant/Office Manager= no problem.
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post Jun 24 2004, 06:37 PM
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First of all, who said a datajack has to be in your head (I like putting one on my wrist for comm gear, with the wires hidden under the sleeves). Second of all, it's an entirely common occurance in the 2060's. It's about as weird as seeing someone talking on a cellphone or using a laptop.
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post Jun 24 2004, 07:02 PM
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Also, induction datajacks work very well with hats, hoods, and other articles of clothing to hide wires.
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post Jun 24 2004, 08:02 PM
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Ignore the people saying good gms ignore this. Its their opinion, doesnt mean its right. I would think good gms are able to use it, adding a level of realism or complexity... it can be seen either way.

Looks like you already got an answer for the first question, but Id consider getting the router to get the radio/comlink and transducer hooked in (radio/comlink can be installed as a joint package, transducer cant, least as I read it).

May not seem worth it, but being able to record your calls, as well as relay what you hear over the radio, can be invaluble in shadowops; depending on how you play. And would only take .14 essence for the router, a port to the datajack, a port to the radio and transducer, and a port to the device the datajack connection replaced. Less if you alpha.
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post Jun 24 2004, 08:28 PM
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  Ignore the people saying good gms ignore this. Its their opinion, doesnt mean its right. I would think good gms are able to use it, adding a level of realism or complexity... it can be seen either way.


Why ignore us? He asked for help. We gave him our suggestions.

I don't think being a good GM is determined by enforcing obsure rules that don't add realism. Other than making you life--IR and SR--more difficult, that is. There aren't too many roleplaying situations that are improved by the presence of a router...

Just because something is more complex doesn't make it better.

See: Parsimony and/or Ockham's Razor :)

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post Jun 24 2004, 08:48 PM
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He asked a rules question, not anyones opinion of the rules. Its obvious thats what you think. I merely pointed out that your opinion isnt the same as everyones, and that theres just as many arguments for as against. You play how you want, Ill play how I want; but neither of those is a response to the original question.
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post Jun 24 2004, 09:18 PM
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Not to mention Toy essentially broadly flamed all GM's that choose to use routers as bad GM's. Flaming people is bad, mmmkay?
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post Jun 24 2004, 09:22 PM
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Most of the people who gave their opinion on the subject also answered the technical question.

Kevyn's right, however. The only thing the interconnectively rules do is force you to lose more Essence and add more crap to clutter up your character sheet. It does nothing for the game or for playability. It simply adds complexity for the sake of adding complexity. You may as well advocate the designers including 5+ pages of overly-complex rules for brushing your teeth. It'll add the exact same thing to the game that the interconnectivity rules did -- jack squat.
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post Jun 24 2004, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE (BitBasher)
Not to mention Toy essentially broadly flamed all GM's that choose to use routers as bad GM's. Flaming people is bad, mmmkay?

So is trolling, but that certainly doesn't seem to stop you from doing it.
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post Jun 24 2004, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE (Misfit Toy)
QUOTE (BitBasher @ Jun 24 2004, 03:18 PM)
Not to mention Toy essentially broadly flamed all GM's that choose to use routers as bad GM's. Flaming people is bad, mmmkay?

So is trolling, but that certainly doesn't seem to stop you from doing it.

Care to show me where?
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post Jun 25 2004, 04:50 AM
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Enough. You cannot deny that using routers adds a difference between characters that have individual cyberware implants, and those which connect them all to make networks of cyberware. Such a difference causes differences in characters and how they interact in the game. It also allows a doublecheck for players, which lets them see what exactly can talk to what, whether because its connected, or because the different pieces of cyberware need to share a common information technology before being able to exchange data. Because you dont like it and think its silly doesnt mean it is. Play the way you want, fine. But dont profess to know whats best for everyone else and claim its irrelevant.
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post Jun 25 2004, 05:18 AM
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No one can deny that there is a difference. One can easily deny that that difference is anything more than a flatly insane, completely useless annoyance that adds nothing to the game.
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post Jun 25 2004, 05:30 AM
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It adds a layer of complexity and detail. Which isnt there without it. Whether or not that is beneficial/detrimental to the game is up to you. And whichever you decide is of no consequence to anyone unless they ask, in which case it should be made clear that it is an individuals opinion and that alone. Blanket statments of opinion without claim should be avoided. That is all.
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post Jun 25 2004, 07:03 AM
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QUOTE (kevyn668)
Ockham's Razor

Do not multiply entities unnecessarily. A logical tool, and one that isn't applicable here. There was a need to determine what pieces of 'ware talked to what other pieces, which was answered with the Router. The designers just vastly overestimated the number of people who actually have this need.

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