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Jul 5 2004, 06:14 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: 16-August 03 Member No.: 5,501 |
Correct me if I am wrong but with ultra sound you are “seeing“ by reading an echo right?
So why does it matter if there is light to see by? Why do you get uneven modifiers for varying light levels when you are using light to see? i just got man and machien so i am just wanting to clarify a few things :grinbig: |
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Jul 5 2004, 06:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 577 Joined: 12-June 04 Member No.: 6,398 |
The assumption is that you're always using a combination of different visions, never quite relying on only one. That's why you get the variety of modifiers.
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Jul 5 2004, 06:20 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
Doc's got it right. Ultrasound overlays normal vision, it doesn't replace it. See p 18 and 49, M&M.
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Jul 5 2004, 06:54 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
it's also worth pointing out that ultrasound vision will be disorienting to use--patterns of light and shadow will be very different, you won't see very much in the way of texture and nothing in the way of color, and distant events (more than a hundred feet away or so) will appear to "lag"--you'll see the event happen a split-second or longer after it actually occurs.
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Jul 5 2004, 01:16 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
A good example of this just happened last night across the country (well, the US anyway). Remember watching those fireworks? Remember how you saw the pretty lights about three or four seconds before you heard the big BOOM! That's an example of light travelling faster than sound. Relying solely on sound can really mess you up because it's not nearly as fast as light, so you'll be more likely to shoot at something that's not where it's supposed to be.
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Jul 5 2004, 05:32 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Thats why its better to get low light and thermo and then just carry a sack of flour around with you...:D
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Jul 5 2004, 05:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 577 Joined: 12-June 04 Member No.: 6,398 |
Or play a magician with Astral Perception. When using it, lighting conditions don't matter and you suffer only a +2 modifier for purely physical actions while using it. That beats most (cybernetic) vision modifiers and is equal to some of the better ones. Doesn't cost any Essence or nuyen either. :)
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Jul 6 2004, 12:47 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 476 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Fresno, CFS: taking out one durned furriner at a time. Member No.: 5,940 |
Yes, but background ratings add their modifier to astral perception as well...
Then again any background rating can really screw mages. |
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Jul 6 2004, 01:20 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Plus it leaves you open to be screwed with by anything hostile that's on the astral plane.
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Jul 6 2004, 01:23 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 577 Joined: 12-June 04 Member No.: 6,398 |
Assuming you don't have Masking.
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Jul 6 2004, 01:25 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Which is why any runner should invest the great sum 10 nuyen in a flashlight. They can be invaluable.
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Jul 6 2004, 01:36 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Or some kind of cyberware headlamp...
Hey, thats an idea. Running lights for cyberlimbs, or something. |
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Jul 6 2004, 01:44 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,138 Joined: 10-June 03 From: Tennessee Member No.: 4,706 |
You mean like... eyelights?
Flashlights only work out to 20m. Eyelights get you out to 100m. |
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Jul 6 2004, 01:57 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Sure, ruin my fun by pointing out it already exists.
Is that in Man and Machine? Its the one book I have that I haven't read thoroughly yet. Don't bats get by just fine using only sound? |
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Jul 6 2004, 01:58 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 577 Joined: 12-June 04 Member No.: 6,398 |
Yep. One of the coolest eye implants in the game.
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Jul 6 2004, 03:09 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
Bats do have eyes and are NOT blind. However, they also learn to use their echolocation since birth and their brains are used to it/made for it/whatever. Not exactly the same as getting a new sense altogether.
The Abstruse One |
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Jul 6 2004, 03:57 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
Their eyes are only about as good as ours, though, and they spend a lot of time flying around in the dark. So yeah, they get by just fine when using only sound.
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Jul 6 2004, 04:07 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
I knew the weren't blind, but their visual acuity isn't too great, right?
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Jul 6 2004, 04:17 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
It depends on the species of bat in question. Some have pitiful eyesight to the point of near blindness. Others actually have excellent eyesight, and there are all manner of bats somewhere in between. Regardless of eyesight, though, echolocation's still basically their primary sense.
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