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> Expendable Cities, any good ideas for one?
Kagetenshi
post Jul 11 2004, 08:38 PM
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I need a city that could plausibly be decently large by the 2050s, with a vibrant biological/chemical/pharmaceutical/medical research community, but one that won't be missed (IE, one that isn't currently important and so probably won't be called on by metaplot or the random whims of the players). The original was Tokyo (actually, now that I remember, it wasn't Tokyo but a city nearby), but I think that's a little too major (and too JIS) for this.

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post Jul 11 2004, 08:40 PM
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Atlanta has the CDC and as far as I am aware, does not have any special role in Canon.

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post Jul 11 2004, 08:47 PM
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Where's the Mayo Clinic or maybe John Hopkins? Wait, John Hopkins is mentioned in Cyberpirates, IIRC.

Atlanta doesn't sound all that bad as a choice.

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post Jul 11 2004, 09:07 PM
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Sheboygan, WI. I'll be impressed if it becomes a pivotal city. :D
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post Jul 11 2004, 09:11 PM
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Blow away Vancouver. Completely overshadowed by Seattle, but similar enough and close enough to have impact on the game, if not the canon. Home to a branch of Universal Omnitech, and also Pacific Cybernetics Incorporated. Eibisu Biomechanics and Kyuusei Medical are also based in Salish-Sidhe territory.
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post Jul 11 2004, 09:12 PM
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I'd go with some place in Germany. Biotech, chemicals, and pharmaceuticals is what Saeder-Krupp is all about, and Germany does have a reputation (or at least they did if memory serves) for being a leader in those fields at one point. If not Germany, maybe somewhere in India.
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post Jul 11 2004, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE (shadd4d)
Where's the Mayo Clinic or maybe John Hopkins? Wait, John Hopkins is mentioned in Cyberpirates, IIRC.

Atlanta doesn't sound all that bad as a choice.


Atlanta is mentioned in Shadows of North America. Atlanta is also the capital of the CAS. Some might object to its disappearance. :)

Johns Hopkins is in Baltimore. A smoking hole in the ground where Baltimore was would create new and challenging problems for FDC, much the same way Chicago did for Detroit and Milwaukee.
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post Jul 11 2004, 09:22 PM
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I don't think Kagetenshi meant "won't be missed" literally.
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post Jul 11 2004, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE (Misfit Toy)
I'd go with some place in Germany. Biotech, chemicals, and pharmaceuticals is what Saeder-Krupp is all about, and Germany does have a reputation (or at least they did if memory serves) for being a leader in those fields at one point. If not Germany, maybe somewhere in India.

Go with someplace in India.

Most of the cities of Germany are already taken up with something. I also can't place any medical hotbeds. It usually happens that you could eliminate city quarters, but not the whole city. Go ahead and eliminate Tuebingen. It has a wonderful university and a large number of clinics (almost 1 doctor per 300 people or something like that).

The only free ones that come to mind are Chemnitz (used to be Karl Marx City). It deserves it somehow.

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post Jul 11 2004, 09:27 PM
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Sheboygan, WI. I'll be impressed if it becomes a pivotal city. :D

Well yeah, that's the problem :)

I'm looking for something that isn't one, but could plausibly be one in 2050. I like Vancouver as an idea; how close are Vancouver and Seattle? Someplace in Germany would certainly be interesting.

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post Jul 11 2004, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)

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Kage, you're f***ing awesome. :D
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post Jul 11 2004, 09:33 PM
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Why thank you :D

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post Jul 11 2004, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
QUOTE (BitBasher @ Jul 11 2004, 04:07 PM)
Sheboygan, WI. I'll be impressed if it becomes a pivotal city. :D

Well yeah, that's the problem :)

I'm looking for something that isn't one, but could plausibly be one in 2050. I like Vancouver as an idea; how close are Vancouver and Seattle? Someplace in Germany would certainly be interesting.

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Ack. Clicked on it before I realized it was YOU running it, Kage. :dead:

Ah well. At the rate I get around to thing's you'll probably be done with it well before I manage to get my own character sheet ready. :P
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post Jul 11 2004, 09:40 PM
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Haiti! Why stop at just a city? Take out the whole shitty little country! :D Seriously though, they've got the very shady John's Hopkins working down there, a racist facist dictatorship and voodoo. What's not to like? :)
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post Jul 11 2004, 09:41 PM
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Phaeton:

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post Jul 11 2004, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
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...Dare I ask, Kage? :eek:
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post Jul 11 2004, 09:58 PM
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First of all, I object to blowing Vancouver away :P Now, you might say I am biased in the matter (being from Vancouver ... ) but I have another reason entirely.


It's one of the few major cities in the SSC and it *does* get Canon mention in some places.


That aside, I say blow up Toronto if you want to take out a former Canadian city. :D


Also, the Mayo Clinic is in Rochester, Minnesota I believe. (Post-Google Search - I win!)
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QUOTE (Phaeton)
QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Jul 11 2004, 04:41 PM)
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...Dare I ask, Kage? :eek:

It's pretty straightforward, but you really need to see it, rent it of you can. :D
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post Jul 12 2004, 12:30 AM
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Cleveland, OH.

After all, it's pretty nasty in places already. And no one would miss it if you did nuke it. ;)

You've got lots of industry, commerce, some sports, some entertainment, and all the water traffic on Lake Erie. Not to mention pollution, crime, corruption, etc.
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post Jul 12 2004, 01:31 AM
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Ohio might be a good place to look in general. In addition to Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus (all of which contain universities and corporations that would take care of your requiremants), there's lower level cities like Akron, Dayton, and Delaware that are growing pretty quickly. And I imagine Ohio will be pretty much merged into 1 or 2 sprawls by the 50s or 60s, so if you need particulars you can borrow from other cities nearby and lump them as one big metroplex.
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post Jul 12 2004, 02:32 AM
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Worcester, MA. Seriously. Would you believe it's the second largest city in New England? There's already a good deal of biotech research in the city, as well as within an hour or so drive. Admittedly, as a city, it's kinda overshadowed by Boston. And, right now, it's much more of a horizontal city than a vertical city (city laws mandate no new buildings higher than 3 stories without ultra-special approval). That's not too hard to deal with, though. It's also a bit rundown and grimy. And there's no way in *hell* that it's ever going to get mentioned in canon. Ever. And I hope you mean "not missed" to be "blown up". I like to imagine that happening sometimes.
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post Jul 12 2004, 02:33 AM
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Kesh and CCB had the same thoughts I did, something in Ohio. Major cities but nothing that won't be missed.
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post Jul 12 2004, 02:36 AM
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Well, Tallahassee is fair game, I think, if you want to use a CAS...The mosquitos here need to be taught a lesson, the only big things here are the capitol tower and the governor's (also current prez's brother's) mansion...I think. Well, that and me, BGFMH(?), and a few others live here...But by 2060 I doubt we'll still be sticking around here. :D
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post Jul 12 2004, 02:38 AM
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I thought Springfield was #2 in New England. Seriously Worcester's enough of a pit, who'd noticed?

Hartford might be a good call- it's a small city but surrounded by affluent suburbs, lots of Colleges (7) so you've got education, it's the center for Insurance Corps in the US so there's lots of corp environments and major defense industry- Colt fire arms and General Dynamics are in the suburbs and just down the river is Electric boat (submarines). It's tow hours from Boston and from New York so it's between major centers and it's got more media hubs in it than any other city in New England except Boston.

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post Jul 12 2004, 03:08 AM
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Heh. I was going to suggest Worcester, MA. I guess you've been there?

Okay, here's a few for you (in no particular order):

Bridgeport, CT (dying industrial city near NYC and if your ever drive through it, to quote Chevy Chase: "Roll 'em up!")
Syracuse, NY (Centrally located, thirving pharmacutical corps, big mall)
Elmira, NY (dying industrial city, Big prison, crappy town)
New Haven, CT (well, Yale's there...not much else going on)
Worcester, MA (see above)
Manchester, NH (I actually like this city but have your way with it :vegm:)

Let me know what you think.
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