Scuba gear, Damn inflation Options

[Necro Tech]

Someone in my group was looking into buying scuba gear for his character until he saw the cost of the tank. 3000 :nuyen: ? I did some reasearch and the rest of the prices look good but tanks go from like $159-450$ for a steel tank with accessories. Aluminum ones are cheaper. What gives?

[Zazen]

Yeah, a friend of mine dives a lot and he told me it's more like three grand to buy everything, not just a single tank.

[Siege]

Welcome to the SR pricing guide. :grinbig:

You can justify the canon listing or you can replace the numbers with whatever appeals to you.

-Siege

[Necrotic Monkey]

Used '34 Oldsmobile in 1944: $50.00.
Used '94 Oldsmobile in 2004: $3,275.00
Change in Price: Over a 6,000% increase.

Movie Ticket in New Jersery in 1944: $0.20
Movie Ticket in New Jersery in 2004: $8.00
Change in Price: Nearly a 4,000% increase.

Steel SCUBA Tank in 2004: ~$159.00.
Steel SCUBA Tank in 2064: ~3,000.00
Change in Price: Just over a 1,750% increase.

Such a minor difference... get over it already. :)

[Clyde]

Of course the 1994 car is vastly superior to the 1934 car in terms of absolute quality. It's faster, safer, more comfortable (By FAR) and gets better gas mileage. It will last longer and has less maintenance to deal with (although that maintenance requires a specialist). It's arguable whether or not the 2004 movie is better than its older counterpart. Certainly we spend more money on special effects and I think actors are paid more (though they may not be any better). The 2004 movie, of course, is in full color, stereo (if not surround) sound and is probably in an air conditioned theater with nice stadium seats. The 40's flick, is not, of course.

So I say do what you want with the prices. It's the economy, it doesn't make sense now so why should it have to in the future?

[BitBasher]

It's not the tank that's expensive it's all the gear to make the tank work and usable. It's sure not 500 bucks unless the price dropped by a few grand in the few years since I was interested in it.

[Necrotic Monkey]

Compared to a 2004 vehicle, there's neglible differences in the 1994 model. Same with the 1944 vehicle (if any were being made since it was WWII at the time) vs. 1934 vehicle.

But continue to delude yourself all you like. I'm sure that $0.05 can of soda you bought in 1944 was vastly inferior to the one you drank today that you got out of a vending machine for over a buck.

Besides, Clyde, you do realize everything you just argued to defend the price change applies to things 60 years in the future, too, right?

[Fygg Nuuton]

[Necrotic Monkey]

Oh darn, I'm just being a dumbass again. Silly me. My aspirin, Coca Cola, and hat are all VASTLY superior to anything those clowns in 1944 could dream of producing, baby, 'cause the price change is insanely higher. That means its better. Those suckers.

But tell you what, go see if you can get 7 acres of land and a 12 bedroom/4 bathroom mansion in Morriston, New Jersery today for $25,000. Hell, the exact same one for the same price. But is that inclusion of central air, a refrigerator, and big screen TV enough to justify a 4,000% increase in price there, too?

[Fygg Nuuton]

you said there wasnt much difference in cars 10 years apart. by saying that you were, in fact being a dumbass

if you are a dumbass all the time, im not too sure

you are, however, wearing the uniform

[Necrotic Monkey]

Comparitively, there isn't. You're the dumbass for assuming there is. Especially in such a pathetically weak argument against inflation.

Unless you wish to list the vast changes in the two similar vehicles between 1934 and 1944, and then the differences between two similar vehicles between 1994 and 2004.

[Fygg Nuuton]

like i said, if there little difference between a 34 and a 44 whats the difference between a 44 and a 54? if theres little difference every decade, how do cars advance?

[Necrotic Monkey]

10 years is not 60 years. I know that concept must be incredibly difficult for you to grasp.

In case you missed it, which you obviously did, I said the differences between a 1934 vehicle and a 1944 vehicle were as neglible as the differences between a 1994 vehicle and a 2004 vehicle. Not that there weren't any changes, but whatever changes there were, they were likely on the same scale and thus -- yes -- neglible. That was the entire point of comparing vehicles relative to the time of their costs.

[Fygg Nuuton]

even in 60 years, if the changes ever decade are negligible not much will change

however i cant argue with dr. funkenmonkeytoymoon, because nobody can

[Austere Emancipa...]

Necrotic Monkey: There's this thing called inflation, check it out. It's nifty. Interestingly enough, inflation doesn't matter if currency changes. You know, like between US Dollars and Nuyen.

[Edit]And there's the thing about the majority of items not having their prices hiked at all. Not-so-surprisingly, only items the price of which your average RPG designer might not know off-hand have experienced this non-inflation.[/Edit]

This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Jul 17 2004, 08:31 PM

[Necrotic Monkey]

:please:

[Fygg Nuuton]

[Necrotic Monkey]

Fine. Increase everything by 4 times and then you'll have the U(CA)S Dollar prices. At least doing that, the $12,000 SCUBA tank is on the same basic level of inflation as many things from 1944 are compared to 2004.

But oh wait, they call it a UCAS Dollar. Not a US Dollar. My mistake. I'm just being foolish again.

Maybe instead of wanking off, the lot of you can go through and make a completely "realistic" price guide for everything in the game. And don't make a single mistake or assume any change in quality or anything. It must all be exactly as it is today. Even cyberware. So go... get to work. Show your superiority.

[Fygg Nuuton]

that is of course assuming inflation went up on a fixed rate. im not a banker or anything so i dont know. you probably do know and youll let us all know

or we could not just freak out when were proven wrong, say we were wrong and then we can argue about soemthing else?

[Necrotic Monkey]

No, there is no such thing as inflation, see. AE proved as much! There is no more US Dollar, so the change to the UCAS Dollar and Nuyen have completely wiped away ANY NEED WHATOSEVER in a price difference 60 years from now.

So get to work on that pricing guide. Go on. Go.

[Austere Emancipa...]

[Necrotic Monkey]

Yeah, that's right. And while you're at it, you're not allowed to defend something as pathetically a non-issue as a minor change in price 60 years in the future without having a trio of people jumping down your throat about how there's no such thing as inflation and related price changes are meaningless between its counterpart 60 years in the past.

While at the same time whining because there's obviously going to be no change whatsoever 60 years in the future. And no price changes.

[Snow_Fox]

[BitBasher]

I think that if someone has to sarcastically inflate a point to be able to attack it, then they should just not attack that point.

[Necrotic Monkey]

You do realize that I'm the one defending the increase in prices, right? That I was the one who was pointing out that the change is actually less between today and 2064 as they were between 1944 and today?

They're the ones who are upset that there's any price change whatosever in the game.