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Situation: A character is blinded, either by a flash grenade much too close, or snowblindness ... anything causing blindness for a few days. (partly as a plot hook). To protect the eyes and promote faster healing, she is wearing a thick blindfold. (think Neo in Matrix3 if you need a visual) That character is an adept with the Astral Perception ability.
Can the adept use Astral Perception while their eyes heal? I know the function of the eyes doesn't affect Astral Perception working, but I'm specifically talking about the cloth. The cloth is a solid surface, which would block light in the physical. I've always thought that Astral Perception would work through it, but it occurred to me that a complete eye covering like that might block the ability. My GM decision is that the purpose of the blindfold is paramount; if it's applied involuntarily to blind the target, then it affects both senses. If it's applied voluntarily as protection or for a reason other than affecting sight, the user can see through it. LOS from the aura, which extends outside the blindfold? Canon ideas or house rulings? |
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Luke Hardison Astral Perception Jul 21 2004, 02:04 AM
Jason Farlander Astral perception has absolutely nothing whatsoeve... Jul 21 2004, 02:07 AM BitBasher QUOTE (Jason Farlander) Astral perception has abso... Jul 21 2004, 02:16 AM ShadowGhost From the official FAQ at Shadowrunrpg.com:
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... Jul 21 2004, 02:18 AM Jason Farlander Wrong. A magemask blocks physical LOS, and makes i... Jul 21 2004, 02:23 AM Luke Hardison Actually, the magemask "completely cuts off... Jul 21 2004, 02:31 AM Jason Farlander Alright, well, I doubt I'll be able to convinc... Jul 21 2004, 02:46 AM Glyph The FAQ needs to be taken in context. It does not... Jul 21 2004, 02:48 AM Odin alright here I'll explain in laymens terms why... Jul 21 2004, 02:52 AM ShadowGhost QUOTE (Glyph) The FAQ needs to be taken in context... Jul 21 2004, 02:54 AM Necrotic Monkey QUOTE That's why they call it a Blindfold... b... Jul 21 2004, 02:56 AM Odin Well I think that covers it then unless anyone wou... Jul 21 2004, 03:07 AM ShadowGhost QUOTE And, once again, blindness doesn't stop ... Jul 21 2004, 03:16 AM OurTeam I don't know of any text in the books that say... Jul 21 2004, 03:19 AM Jason Farlander Gah... I really wanted to just back away from this... Jul 21 2004, 03:22 AM Dax To back this statement up, on page 146 of the Call... Jul 21 2004, 03:36 AM BitBasher QUOTE it doesn't use your eyes, it doesn't... Jul 21 2004, 03:40 AM ShadowGhost Yes, even without eyes (as I've said twice), y... Jul 21 2004, 03:41 AM Odin all right look at it this way because the whole bo... Jul 21 2004, 03:42 AM BitBasher QUOTE Yes, even without eyes (as I've said twi... Jul 21 2004, 03:43 AM ShadowGhost pg 171 - "Astral Perception does not rely on ... Jul 21 2004, 03:46 AM Jason Farlander you mean, besides pg 171, SR3: "astral percep... Jul 21 2004, 03:47 AM Odin perhaps we should just look at it this way note th... Jul 21 2004, 03:50 AM Person 404 So if I'm perceiving, I can stick my pinkie ar... Jul 21 2004, 03:53 AM Odin no because your pinky isn't a significant port... Jul 21 2004, 04:01 AM BitBasher QUOTE (ShadowGhost) pg 171 - "Astral Percepti... Jul 21 2004, 04:06 AM Necrotic Monkey So you're all saying that a blindfold over you... Jul 21 2004, 04:22 AM Jason Farlander I dont know about you, BB, but, to me, saying that... Jul 21 2004, 04:23 AM Person 404 On the other hand,
"Your astral form has no... Jul 21 2004, 04:46 AM Necrotic Monkey You're quoting from Astral Projection, not Ast... Jul 21 2004, 05:09 AM Gigapulse Tought Desicion, Since astrally perceiving has not... Jul 21 2004, 05:09 AM Lord Ver'an The abovementioned quotes from the main book make ... Jul 21 2004, 05:34 AM Necro Tech If you could see through a blind fold then you cou... Jul 21 2004, 05:51 AM Shev A blindfold would not hinder astral sight. Period.... Jul 21 2004, 06:04 AM Necro Tech Last time on this thread.
You are standing 2... Jul 21 2004, 06:11 AM Dax Also last time on this thread.
It does not chang... Jul 21 2004, 06:17 AM Shev You see a wall. It blocks your astral vision.
Ho... Jul 21 2004, 06:21 AM BitBasher QUOTE However, if the wall had an opening from the... Jul 21 2004, 06:27 AM Cochise @ BitBasher:
Your answer is the "blind... Jul 21 2004, 07:50 AM Shev QUOTE (BitBasher)Can you provide any quote that as... Jul 21 2004, 02:20 PM Garland So you're saying that someone astrally perceiv... Jul 21 2004, 02:43 PM Necrotic Monkey That's less absurd than the other argument tha... Jul 21 2004, 03:31 PM Arethusa So if I stand in front of a brick wall, which is b... Jul 21 2004, 03:54 PM Necrotic Monkey Essentially, yes. Just like a brickwall will mute... Jul 21 2004, 03:56 PM BitBasher So Necrotic, can you provide a book quote that ast... Jul 21 2004, 03:58 PM Necrotic Monkey Once again, that's astral projection, not perc... Jul 21 2004, 04:05 PM tjn If I may interject a point here... It's the sa... Jul 21 2004, 04:21 PM Dice Ok, how about this as a compromise that seems to c... Jul 21 2004, 04:23 PM BitBasher So, necrotic, just to be clear you're saying t... Jul 21 2004, 04:25 PM Garland I run this basically like Dice said above. The ph... Jul 21 2004, 05:10 PM Necrotic Monkey QUOTE (BitBasher @ Jul 21 2004, 10:25 AM) So,... Jul 21 2004, 05:25 PM Moon-Hawk Quite a discussion.
In my game, I would rule that ... Jul 21 2004, 05:31 PM Necrotic Monkey Why? Even a full suit of hardened milspec armor d... Jul 21 2004, 05:36 PM Moon-Hawk Well now it's a question of how big is a Shado... Jul 21 2004, 05:42 PM tjn QUOTE (Garland @ Jul 21 2004, 12:10 PM) The p... Jul 21 2004, 05:45 PM Garland Sorry, for astral perception, it makes sense that ... Jul 21 2004, 06:00 PM Herald of Verjigorm The barghest can already smell you and is only poi... Jul 21 2004, 06:02 PM Garland For the purposes of this example, there's a se... Jul 21 2004, 06:06 PM Necrotic Monkey My personal opinion is that no, he wouldn't be... Jul 21 2004, 06:13 PM Garland So now it's directional.
If you're hiding... Jul 21 2004, 06:22 PM Necrotic Monkey Yep, sure can. Just like anyone else could sense ... Jul 21 2004, 06:25 PM tjn QUOTE (Garland)Sorry, for astral perception, it ma... Jul 21 2004, 06:38 PM Garland Okay then. This is probably where we agree to dis... Jul 21 2004, 06:38 PM JaronK Here's my own oppinion about it, though in the... Jul 21 2004, 06:58 PM Apathy I got lazy and haven't read the whole thread, ... Jul 21 2004, 07:12 PM Cochise QUOTE (Necrotic Monkey)Once again, that's astr... Jul 21 2004, 07:31 PM xizor this is something that i don't think has been ... Jul 21 2004, 08:07 PM BitBasher QUOTE (xizor) what is a mage mask made of?
and co... Jul 21 2004, 08:39 PM Fygg Nuuton its the loud random noises that make perceiving di... Jul 21 2004, 08:43 PM BitBasher QUOTE (Fygg Nuuton) its the loud random noises tha... Jul 21 2004, 08:46 PM Fygg Nuuton QUOTE (BitBasher) QUOTE (Fygg Nuuton @ Jul 21... Jul 21 2004, 08:48 PM tjn QUOTE (xizor) this is something that i don't t... Jul 21 2004, 08:50 PM Cochise QUOTE (Fygg Nuuton)its the loud random noises that... Jul 21 2004, 08:52 PM BitBasher QUOTE (Cochise) QUOTE (p. 12 MitS)It consists of a... Jul 21 2004, 09:00 PM Necrotic Monkey You can use astral perception regardless of how yo... Jul 21 2004, 09:42 PM Apathy I'd like to see if we can at least all have a ... Jul 21 2004, 10:07 PM BitBasher QUOTE pay attention, this is the important part --... Jul 21 2004, 10:09 PM Necrotic Monkey 1. No clue where you're getting this 3" ... Jul 21 2004, 10:10 PM Necrotic Monkey QUOTE I have never, ever once said it did so far. ... Jul 21 2004, 10:17 PM Apathy QUOTE Sure, I agree with that no problem.
QUOTE No... Jul 21 2004, 10:19 PM tjn QUOTE (Apathy) Shouldn't this block astral ... Jul 21 2004, 10:54 PM Person 404 That does get kind of weird when you move to proje... Jul 21 2004, 11:00 PM BitBasher QUOTE Astral Perception is in no way a variant or ... Jul 22 2004, 12:17 AM Necrotic Monkey Or while using the KISS principle:
Mundane Senses... Jul 22 2004, 01:34 AM Apathy QUOTE Astral Senses: Astral Perception, Sight, Hea... Jul 22 2004, 01:43 AM Necrotic Monkey Nope, you are specifically granted the limited abi... Jul 22 2004, 02:08 AM tjn QUOTE (BitBasher)That is never stated.
Err I must ... Jul 22 2004, 02:25 AM BitBasher Now I'll hilight the part of that sentence tha... Jul 22 2004, 02:35 AM tjn QUOTE (Apathy) You also don't really have norm... Jul 22 2004, 02:39 AM BitBasher inside the box.
paradigm is just fine.
it is no... Jul 22 2004, 02:43 AM tjn QUOTE (BitBasher) Now I'll hilight the part of... Jul 22 2004, 02:59 AM tjn QUOTE (BitBasher) inside the box.
paradigm is jus... Jul 22 2004, 03:02 AM BitBasher Actually I just reread the section on astral perce... Jul 22 2004, 03:09 AM tjn QUOTE (BitBasher) Actually I just reread the secti... Jul 22 2004, 03:26 AM Apathy QUOTE Care to provide a page reference for that ch... Jul 22 2004, 03:37 AM Necrotic Monkey Bah. Wrong thread. Jul 22 2004, 03:46 AM Apathy [Deleted my response to non-sequiter] Jul 22 2004, 03:54 AM BitBasher QUOTE I personally hated the phrasing of those two... Jul 22 2004, 04:05 AM Jason Farlander Wow... for some reason I feel a sense of pride in ... Jul 22 2004, 04:20 AM
Apathy QUOTE I will note, though, that noone has convince... Jul 22 2004, 04:41 AM  |
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