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 Jul 23 2004, 03:53 AM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123  |
Next time that happens, you might want to say "Here is the answer to a different question than the one you're asking". That way you won't again fool us into thinking that your reply of "yes" to a question is meant to answer it. |
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Jul 23 2004, 03:57 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
My point exactly. Very early on in the thread is was mentioned that a mage hood doesn't block astral perception (not by me obviously) and it doesn't matter anyway because you couldn't target mundanes. As you can cast spells at anything you can astrally perceive, by that arguement, a magehood isn't very effective. I thought for a while that people felt I was saying that a blindfold stops AP, as in you can't do it anymore. Now I see that people believe that AP is omni directional and can't be stoppped by blindfolds/magehoods/bricks and is has nothing to do with LOS. As per spell targeting, you can cast spells at physical or astral targets if you can perceive them. Read back through this thread and see what that would mean in peoples arguements. BitBasher, I agree with you from point one except for be able to perceive something without LOS. I would like an example that deals only with AP, not astral senses which includes projection (Like assensing or targeting across the planes) |
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Jul 23 2004, 03:59 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 13-July 04 Member No.: 6,475 |
well their are obviously strong opinions how about we all agree to disagree and let the thread die considering this is just turning into a schoolyard shouting match.
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Jul 23 2004, 04:23 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
been there, tried that earlier, we failed :D And Necro Tech, I never said you can astrally perceive something without LOS, I don't know what you mean. |
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Jul 23 2004, 04:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 16-July 04 Member No.: 6,488 |
Considering you same the exact same mistake in reading my response, I don't think you have much room to talk. |
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Jul 23 2004, 04:34 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
How can I have answered a different question than the one that was asked? You didn't ask me a question at all!
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Jul 23 2004, 04:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 16-July 04 Member No.: 6,488 |
You read "brickwall strapped to his face" where I typed "brick strapped to his face." I read "brick strapped to his face" where he wrote "brickwall strapped to his face." Same mistake.
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Jul 23 2004, 04:37 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
Sorry, read it again. You apparently were with me on the whole stoppage of AP with blindfold thing. You were saying that you can be astrally perceiving yet not have LOS because you vision is blocked. Got it. |
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Jul 23 2004, 04:49 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
I read "yes" where you typed "yes". :P You frequently inject unrelated information into a response, so I ignored the bit about the brick. Anyway, since you seem to have made an innocent reading mistake instead of insisting that people can see through walls, there's no need for us to continue. |
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Jul 23 2004, 04:52 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 16-July 04 Member No.: 6,488 |
Then try ignoring the entire post in the future.
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Jul 23 2004, 05:06 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
Surely you're joking?
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Jul 23 2004, 05:09 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
Actually it modifies it considerably. When using AP to achieve LOS in the physical plane you ignore darkness modifiers because the astral plane is always lit up. You can also use it to draw LOS on things you can't see with your normal eyes such as invisble people. If you fail your resistance check vs invis you can switch to astral, find them and gack them with no problem. You can also use astral perception to locate hidden active foci, like inside someones shirt (or in the case a foci weapon implants, their arms) for dispelling or destroying purposes or just simple awareness that the enemy mage is loaded for bear or other large game. Once again, I'm not saying that physical objects stop the use of AP. I'm just pointing out that it severly limits what you can do with it. |
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Jul 23 2004, 05:19 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 16-July 04 Member No.: 6,488 |
Nope, not kidding.
Necro Tech, check out the text for Spell Targeting. There's a distinct difference between line of sight and using astral perception to target a spell. |
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Jul 23 2004, 05:33 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
HUH? Its talking about targeting. For purposes of casting magic on other people. Which requires LOS. It says so in the spell descriptions. It says you can use AP to achieve LOS. "Such a spellcaster could cast a spell at someone hidden by an Invisibility spell, using astral perception to target their physical body, since both the spell caster and the target are on the physical plane." SR3 pg 182. The whole paragraph states that an astrally perceiving character has the best of both worlds for targeting purposes. Targeting. You can only cast offensive magic at valid targets. Valid targets are ones that you could achieve LOS on. "With spell casting, the caster must be able to see the target {also know as LOS} and must be present on the same plane (physical or astral) as the target." SR3 pg. 181. As I previously stated, spell casters can use Astral perception to enhance their targeting possibilities.
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Jul 23 2004, 05:53 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
So even if you're answering my own question, I should ignore your entire response if it contains an unrelated or irrelevant point (which, no offense intended, is a common feature of your posts)? Presumably afterwards I should say "Why haven't you responded at all to my question?" when you clearly have.
No, I won't do that. It's ridiculous. |
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Jul 23 2004, 05:56 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Necro Tech I've been trying to explain that to him in several posts so far. Good luck with your run of attempts ;)
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Jul 23 2004, 06:12 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
Thanks, but I'm really done this time. I'm not even gonna look at this thread anymore. Fundamental communication errors never go anywhere but into the streets with guns and knives.
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Jul 23 2004, 06:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 16-July 04 Member No.: 6,488 |
Where do you see LOS mentioned in that quote? They are talking about acquiring a target using astral perception in lieu of LOS. LOS is handled at the very beginning of that section in the first five paragraphs. Not once do they mention astral perception in reference to LOS. And it's not just because they're avoiding mentioning magic; they specifically mention spells like Clairvoyance regarding LOS. And again, astral perception is not mentioned once because it's a wholly different beast. However, later on page 182 they talk about using astral perception for targeting a spell. You have the option of choosing to target a spell at anything you 1) see using your normal vision or 2) anything you perceive using astral perception. You get to use the best of both worlds; whichever one affords you a valid target is the one you get to use.
Exactly correct. Targeting. Which is not LOS, though LOS can be used to target a spell. LOS and astral perception are two completely independant ideas within the game, and both can be used to target a spell.
And again, they use words like "see" with astral perception for lack of a better descriptive term. See != LOS. Astral Perception != LOS. Targeting != LOS. Only LOS = LOS. |
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Jul 23 2004, 06:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 16-July 04 Member No.: 6,488 |
I love it.
When I refuse to change my opinion on a subject, I'm a pig-headed ass. When you refuse to change your opinion on a subject, you're a brilliant genius above and beyond all others. Get a life. |
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Jul 23 2004, 06:53 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 13-July 04 Member No.: 6,475 |
yeah you've pretty much summed up this entire threads theme. |
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