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 Jul 23 2004, 02:04 PM
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Mr. Quote-function  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,278 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Germany Member No.: 1,376  |
I'm aware of that ... Still the TNs for getting the boost will eventually become too high to kick in on a regular basis
a.k.a. maxed out quick ;) |
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Jul 24 2004, 12:01 AM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
Not really, no. While 9 is the absolute maximum attainable under any circumstances, you're thinking ONLY in terms of numbers. I'm thinking just in terms of what is realistic for an olympic runner. Assume: the minimum age for most starting shadowrunners would be about 18. Otaku kinda break those rules, but whatever. So at 18, the runner has Quickness 6, Body 6 (remember - athletics is tied to body) and Athletics 6. Now, granted, he's got skills beyond this, but these are his main thing. Now, the average olympian reaches peak performance between 18 and 19, according to this page, but I think we can push that to 26 or so for runners, just judging by thethose I've looked up. So? How retarded do we make this guy? Let's try and give him a couple of stats, keeping Athletics and Quickness equal... but first, a word about exceptional attribute and stats over 6 for humans. I don't use Exceptional Attribute too often, because it tends to make certain things a little unbalancing. I assume most people who are really good at their job are just that - they weren't BORN into that job. I'd give truly legendary people exceptional attribute and the karma to take it over 7 or (sometimes, if they're extremely practiced) 8. Why? While it is possible, rules wise, to increase a human's stat past 6, that's where GM caveat comes into it. Bear in mind that 6 IS called a 'limit' for a reason - in several books over several additions, they suggest GMs keep a close eye on people raising stats over that limit, and for good reason. You hit charisma 10, you've got dragon (or near-dragon) charisma. Intelligence 11? Yeah, that's pretty legendary. These aren't stats people should be able to get without an EXTREMELY good reason, such as devoting themselves to that stat and its' skills to the exclusion of others, for DECADES. This is, admittedly, my opinion. That being said.... Quickness/Athletics 7: 35 karma, assuming no exceptional attribute and not raising body to 7. Quickness/Athletics 8: 75 karma. Quickness/Athletics 9: 120 karma. This means, that a guy who doesn't routinely expose himself to the quick-karma building exercises of most shadowrunners (getting shot at, stealing corporate secrets, et cetera) a runner will have to devote between 35 and 120 good karma to his running between the ages of 18 and 26 - that's 8 years. Now, sure, you might say, that's fine. Well, by way of reference, I think there are two problems with this... #1: that's 35-120 good karma he has to spend in addition to raising other skills (college/career skills, mundane things like drive, personal finance, et cetera), and #2 Fastjack has an intelligence of 8 and a computer skill of 10. That's after 35 years of practice with cyberdecks, and who knows how much more of mundane programming. And he is literally the best in the world - though some have argued with me on that score, I think it's pretty set in stone. Assuming his stats translated to a runner, and he achieved all successes, he's still running the 100 meter in 5.55 seconds. Which, equivalently, would be the 'legendary' guy for running. My problem's not with the rules or people having high stats, it's in assuming all olympic runners have exceptional attribute and the ability to push their skills and stats to truly epic levels. |
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Jul 24 2004, 01:23 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 476 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Fresno, CFS: taking out one durned furriner at a time. Member No.: 5,940 |
Except for exceptional attribute, drugs, and cyber. Though cyber isn't really applicable to modern day experiences.
Actually, no I'm not. I played two years of football at a Division 1 college. So I have a modicum of personal experience in terms of athletics; I also have met olympians and others who have devoted their entire life to athletics and listened to their experiences. That is what I'm basing my opinions on.
While I certainly don't begrudge you your opinion, my personal experience with the subject tells me differently.
Whether or not runners start at that age is kinda moot. It is however a good place to put the Human Modified Limit. In my experience, after that age it only gets harder to improve due to the developmental growth patterns of a human being, thus representive of the HML.
Runners that are 26 have either trained so hard that they are effectively at the peak of human performance, or are pushing retirement. Kinda like Shadowrunners... by the mid-twenties, either they're completely on top of their game, or they've been "retired."
I would have to state your assumption is wrong, at least in so far as relating to physical attributes. Genetics plays a huge role in not only in how easily on trains their bodies, but to what capacity a person can take their bodies to as well. Physically, people are not created equal at all, and some will have huge potential if they have the drive to fufill it.
Such as what it takes to make it to the olympics.... Understand that in somce cases of these athletes have been practicing since the age of 4. One has to question wtf is wrong with their parents to drive their kids like that... but it's what it takes to get to that level of competition in most cases.
And sadly, those other skills are often horribly unpracticed in olympic caliber athletes. Practicing for as many hours a day as they do, and for 14 years straight, leaves little room for other pursuits.
Fastjack is a GM fiat, no amount of dice can represent that, but do you have a page reference for his stats? If nothing else I'd like to see in what other ways he's statted. :P
There's 6.3 billion people in the world. And only one of those 6.3 billion people that can take the gold medal. If that doesn't illustrate to you the caliber of these people... I'm not quite sure what will. |
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Jul 24 2004, 01:40 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I wouldn't be surprised if there are a bunch of people who could take that medal from the winner who don't compete for some reason. Like, maybe even five or six.
~J |
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Jul 24 2004, 02:59 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
You forgot to add cyberskates and geas it off. :D |
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Jul 24 2004, 10:31 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
All Depends on how well the perform on the day, Only one person can have gold, but alot more deserve it. In SR terms, all depends on how well and when they spent their Karma rerolls. Getting to the finnal due to a "bad performance" or in the final. |
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Jul 24 2004, 12:02 PM
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Mr. Quote-function Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,278 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Germany Member No.: 1,376 |
I didn't use cyberskates on purpose, since the intention was a running person (Roadrunner being the perfect streetname for someone like that) ... not a skating one The other thing is that the Movement power is based on Essence. I already gave up 1 point for going Ghoul. Cyberskates would decrease Essence even further for purposes of using the Movement power ... |
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