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FXcalibur
post Jul 24 2004, 03:15 AM
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Hmm? I never thought of it that way... What if theoretically your immune system was down or ceased to function, such as if you had AIDS?
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post Jul 24 2004, 03:21 AM
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i'm not sure i understand the question. if your immune system shuts down, as if you had AIDS, you'd die the same way people with AIDS eventually die: you'd catch a cold, never get over it, and keel over.
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post Jul 24 2004, 03:41 AM
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I think he's asking what would happen if you had advanced AIDS and caught VITAS.

Which is an interesting question, but you'd be dead soon regardless of the answer.

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post Jul 24 2004, 03:43 AM
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EDIT: Kage beat me to it.
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post Jul 24 2004, 03:52 AM
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Ironically, I think by it's nature VITAS may kill the AIDS virus..
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post Jul 24 2004, 04:00 AM
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If there is a single cell to produce more white blood cells, VITAS would probably win out as the more potent disease. It may even be a lab mistake from the research that led to the cure for AIDS. Or an intentional variation of the same.
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post Jul 24 2004, 04:19 AM
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I just figured that people would be pretty pissed at a God who murders millions of people. Whatever, though. People are strange.


I can understand thinking so, but that's just not how people work. Massive changes make people scared, and religion is partly a tool to help people contain the fear of death. That's one reason why when things get bad, people turn to religion.

If you want to eliminate religion, make the Earth a utopia where everyone lives forever. There'll be no need for religion. On the other hand, if people are scared they're going to die, they're going to be very motivated to believe they have an eternal soul. And nothing really adds credability to claims of the supernatural like having people around who can actually see auras and heal with the touch of their hands.
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post Jul 24 2004, 06:09 AM
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Virally Induced Toxic Allergy Syndrome. At least from my perspective it would seem that VITAS would make you deathly allergic to the toxins, aka pollution, already present in the enviroment, but that your body is able to tolerate. This would explain why it killed mostly the poor and was so deadly in more polluted cities such as Mexico City. The one flaw to this theory is that supposedly VITAS killed both rich and poor, but if a wealthy person caught VITAS, according to my interpration a wealthy person could just flee to a wilderness or a corporate clean enviroment and survive. On the other hand maybe allergy VITAS would be so severe that no where on modern earth would be clean enough to allow a human to survive, or perhaps it would have enough to act on the pollutants already present in the victim before they became infected
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post Jul 24 2004, 02:36 PM
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If it just reacts to allergens, treatment would be (relatively) inexpensive; a clean room and a decontamination shower.

If the immune system doesn't need a trigger other than the virus, you'd treat with boatloads of immunosuppressive drugs. Like what they do after organ transplants, for instance, but much more so. Still in a clean room, since while you're being treated you might as well have advanced (if temporary) AIDS.

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post Jul 24 2004, 04:16 PM
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If it just reacts to allergens, treatment would be (relatively) inexpensive; a clean room and a decontamination shower.

...Unless the reaction to allergens (which could be anything not part of the body) is so sudden and severe that you die from the dust in your lungs before you can get to said clean room. And, well, the decontamination shower wouldnt really help with the things that are already inside you.
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post Jul 24 2004, 09:41 PM
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Then the aforementioned drug treatments instead of the clean room and decon shower.

I still like the idea of the virus sending the immune system berserk without needing anything else, but that could just be me.

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post Jul 25 2004, 01:48 PM
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You can combine both views. Perhaps VITAS victims die from their immune system going into overdrive at the cellular level, but the sequence has to be triggered by common allergens or certain substances (with each patient having different "neutral" substances). Decontamination or drugs wouldn't help as they only act on the catalyst, and what is killing you is the rioting of your cells. This would explain the long painful death, which sounds similar to what Ebola victims have to endure - there are graphic descriptions of what Ebola does to the human body in one of the Tom Clancy novels (Executive Orders I think).

In theory you could still survive VITAS if you were placed permanently in a sterilized environment before any allergens ruined your day (Bubble Boy, anyone ?). It would make for a challenging run to extract a VITAS-infected researcher or millionaire from a sterilized facility - without killing the target or the runners.


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