 [Dragons6thW] Theory on Amazonia, Trouble brewing? |
  |
  Aug 29 2003, 05:47 PM
Post
#1
|
|
|
Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 502 Joined: 14-May 03 From: Detroit, Michigan Member No.: 4,583  |
From all descriptions, Hualpa seems to be trying to do right by the people in Amazonia. Trying to prevent widespread famine, poverty or corruption. Granted he doesn't allow them any representation in the government, but he does try to pull off the benevolent dictator routine.
So what's with the Toxic shamans? Why does he do nothing to curb their activities or their development? The problem I suspect is Sirrurg. If he's following the same pattern he did as Usun in Earthdawn, then he's set himself up his own private jungle preserve in Amazonia where life is a constant struggle for survival. ( Imagine a place so brutal it makes the rest of the Amazonia wilderness look tame. ) To survive in such a hellish place would unhinge any shaman. Enter the toxic avenger shamans. What does this suggest? That Hualpa's control of Amazonia is not absolute. That Sirrurg has claimed a chunk of it and maintains his own private army of fanatic shamans. Were a serious disagreement occur between them..... Things could get ugly fast. |
 |
 
|
|
Aug 29 2003, 06:22 PM
Post
#2
|
|
|
Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
You're really having fun with this book aren't you, booklord? ;)
|
|
|
|
|
Aug 29 2003, 08:54 PM
Post
#3
|
|
|
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
If Sirrurg is Usun, then I highly doubt he's in league with the toxics.
More likely, the dragons don't consider toxics the same way we metahumans do. |
|
|
|
|
Aug 30 2003, 12:31 AM
Post
#4
|
|||
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 502 Joined: 14-May 03 From: Detroit, Michigan Member No.: 4,583 |
Different attitudes for different dragons. Just because the other dragons, notably Kaltenstein and Hestaby, seem to work to root out toxics doesn't mean Sirrurg would. Given his low opinion of metahumanity he probably encourages it. Alamais is another who seems to not mind toxics working for him. |
||
|
|
|
||
|
Aug 30 2003, 01:17 AM
Post
#5
|
|
|
Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Arleesh didn't "show up" until after the foundation of Amazonia, but that doesn't mean it wasn't her. Perhaps she had hoped to for an alliance with Hualpa but this toxic antagonism with Sirrurg drove a wedge between them causing her to seek out a domain of her own. Which means that Hualpa sided with Sirrurg on the issue of using toxics ("desperate times" "look what they've done to this world"). So the mysterious dragon splits and "appears" as Arleesh.
I wonder if/how Arthur Vogle fits into that; any ideas? Could he actually be Sirrurg (or the mysterious dragon) or one of his voices, and Dunkelzahn was warning him of the Toxic path meaning Amazonia's avengers? It would explain where Sirrurg is keeping himself or how he keeps an eye on the world. |
|
|
|
|
Aug 30 2003, 02:59 AM
Post
#6
|
|
|
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Usun/Sirrug didn't/doesn't like anything on two legs. I'd lay dollars to pesos the toxics weren't his.
|
|
|
|
|
Aug 30 2003, 03:54 AM
Post
#7
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 502 Joined: 14-May 03 From: Detroit, Michigan Member No.: 4,583 |
In Earthdawn times Usun shared his jungle domain with a group of humans known as the Tamers. These tamers followed a primitive and fierce existance in an awakened jungle hell. Despite the fact that Usun abused the hell out them and ate a couple of them, he allowed them to live. They in turn respected and feared the dragon and adopted his philosphy. Survival of the Fittest.
It is quite possible that Sirrurg has repeated his "Tamer" experiment deep within the Amazonia jungle. These toxic shamans would be the likely result. Toxics that believe in reverting back to a primitive lifestyle and that life should be a constant struggle for survival. A danger to any who do not share their philosphy. Hualpa would probably like to curb the toxics activities, but fears that striking openly against them would bring him into opposition with Sirrurg who most likely encourages the toxics' rampages as they are weeding out those unworthy to survive. |
|
|
|
|
Aug 30 2003, 04:38 AM
Post
#8
|
|||
|
Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Or does he wish to keep them as a weapon of last resort? The benevolent dictator with the big stick safely tucked away... Of course, Sirrurg is a creature of freewill... Could Sirrurg or Hualpa actually be under the control of the other? Dragons are mighty to mortals, but to each other... It wouldn't be the first case of a "toxic" magiker controlling a front mage. |
||
|
|
|
||
|
Aug 30 2003, 05:58 AM
Post
#9
|
|
|
Grumpy Old Ork Decker Group: Admin Posts: 3,794 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orwell, Ohio Member No.: 50 |
It could be Mujaji, though I don't think so.
It's highly doubtful that it's Arleesh. She has little concern for the affairs of the world beyond her own personal... "Agenda". Bull |
|
|
|
|
Sep 1 2003, 12:53 AM
Post
#10
|
|
|
Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Pobre?
|
|
|
|
|
Sep 1 2003, 01:25 AM
Post
#11
|
|
|
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
A Lesser. Said Three Greats.
|
|
|
|
|
Sep 14 2003, 10:24 PM
Post
#12
|
|||
|
Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Good job naming this dragon. And Quetzalcoatl may be the third, unknown dragon. If so, I would expect him to stay in human form most of the time and be trying to convince people that human sacrifice is bad. |
||
|
|
|
||
|
Sep 14 2003, 10:49 PM
Post
#13
|
|
|
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
If the Quetza existed, why wouldn't he be in Aztlan? The shamanic state religion is mainly geared toward him as the Plumed Serpent totem, the Gestalt was apparently all blood mages rather than shaman, as was Darke. D'you think the force behind Aztechnology is hermetic (or believes hermetics easier to control) and sufficiently powerful to intimidate a Great Feathered Serpent?
BTW, kudos on the name. Mad researching skillz, you, K-10. |
|
|
|
|
Sep 14 2003, 11:39 PM
Post
#14
|
|||||
|
Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I don't think so. Quetzalcoatl fought against using human sacrifice... Though that might explain the other group in Aztlan -the Shamans who are now getting a chance to appease the powers. Tezcatlipoca is the dark sorcerer who uses his magic powers over death as the villain to oppress the people, while Quetzalcoatl is seen as their saviour. Though myth makes it unclear if Tezcatlipoca and Quetzalcoatl are merely yin and yang, unseperable or actually separate entities. I would think Quetzalcoatl would fight Tezcatlipoca and having a proxy base -such as Amazonia- wouldn't hurt. Tezcatlipoca might be the corrupted dragon behind Aztlan... or not. It could be Huitzilopochtli... though what either go by now (Solaris <cough>).
|
||||
|
|
|
||||
|
Sep 15 2003, 12:39 AM
Post
#15
|
|
|
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Huh...reminds me of something from way back when...some RPG where scientifically advanced Native Americans genegineered corn into four sacred colors and planted them in ritual patterns or something.
Still, even if the focus appears to be on Tezcatlipoca, certainly all the mojo is being funnelled to the great teocalli of Quetzacoatl in Tenochititlan. |
|
|
|
|
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 9th March 2025 - 11:38 PM |
Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.