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post Aug 16 2004, 11:04 AM
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Ok i've been watching too many movies....but that's always good for Shadowrun inspiration.

I love the assassin type characters. They are my favorites, and for some reason, i've never been able to play one. I want to build an Assassin for Shadowrun.

The idea I had was take like the character "Jason bourne" (Bourne identity movie/books), with some thing like the new Tom Cruise movie's character Vincent.

Stealthy, but skilled with pistols, unarmed combat. Athletic enough to run, climb, dodge, jump all that stuff a good anti-hero needs. And of corse the stealth and eletronics skill to break into a building.

Stealth meets Combat I guess. (obvously prepared to sacrifice a bit in both for it to work)


Any sugestions on what I should be looking at in Cyber/Bio?

And is it even possable to make a character like that in the system?
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post Aug 16 2004, 11:45 AM
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One of this big points of many assassin characters is their ability to blend in with the crowd. Since lack of essence is so easily detectable, you are probably better off with either an adept of someone who is big on bioware. You can also do stuff like get past the security at airports and coss borders. The problem with cyberware in SR is once you get a pile of it, you are almost permanetly 'underground'.
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post Aug 16 2004, 11:59 AM
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Assassins are always massively intelligent (max out those skill points!)

Take the SOTA edge (possibly coupled with the Hunted flaw) to allow yourself some kick-ass starting equipment.

Either take Skills or Resources as primary. Resources can be spent on cool contact, wiz gadgets and other fun stuff; but the skill points are more likely to let you max out Athletics, a Martial Art, Rifle, Stealth and Pistols.

Metahuman or Magician (or Ghost forbid, Metahuman magicians!) must always be screwed on resources, because skills become a number-one priority after Race and Magic.
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post Aug 16 2004, 12:08 PM
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Probably Human. Since humans are still the most numerous race in the SR world.

From the books (Bourne ID, Bourne Supremacy, etc), the assassin wins not by brute force, but with finesse and skill and don't forget Webb(Jason's true persona) is a professor, so he's got to be helluva smart. Exceptional Attribute Intelligence, maybe. Cerebral Booster, Mnemonic Enhancer.

Of course, what assasin is complete without Enhanced Artwinkulation!

Perhaps a Connected or Friends in High Places Edge too.

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post Aug 16 2004, 12:26 PM
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What about the elf poser edge. With a little bit of disguise skills, this would give you access to 2 meta-types to impersonate.
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post Aug 16 2004, 12:30 PM
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Shouldn't that be an Elf Poser FLAW?
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post Aug 16 2004, 12:31 PM
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Whats the deal with calling "Enhanced Articulation" "Enhanced Artwinkulation" instead? Some joke or what? :wobble:

Sorry to be offtopic
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post Aug 16 2004, 02:05 PM
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Vincent? An assassin?

You've got to be kidding. :)
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post Aug 16 2004, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE (Bossemanden)
Whats the deal with calling "Enhanced Articulation" "Enhanced Artwinkulation" instead?

Some people feel that Enhanced Articulation is a bit over-the-top, or it is something that almost any, and every, "twink" character is going to have.

If you aren't sure what a twink character is, do a search on the forums. There was a discussion not that long ago on the origin of "twink" are a character descriptor.


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post Aug 16 2004, 03:55 PM
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Thanks for the reply.
Sounds like twink=munchkin
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post Aug 16 2004, 03:56 PM
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I've always gone human adept with a datajack and some headware mods plus Masking metamagic. Blends in well and can pass yourself off as just some ordinary guy. Take Killing Hands Moderate and a half decent martial arts skill and you've got the same damage as a standard knife that's a lot harder to detect. Any higher and it's a bit overkill IMO. But weapons skills always come way before things like that, guns and distance always beat fists and up close and personal nine out of ten times. Plus, nothing sets of security like some guy with a smartlink and wired reflexes.

And just remember the words of the master, "The rifle is the first weapon you learn how to use, because it lets you keep your distance from the client. The closer you get to being a pro, the closer you can get to the client. The knife, for example, is the last thing you learn."
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post Aug 16 2004, 05:00 PM
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This is one of my favorite types of characters to play, and I almost always go with the Adept of the Invisible Way. Your critical attributes are going to be Int and Quickness, with Charisma and Will being next on the list. I tend to take priority A Skills, B Adept, C and D can be either Attributes or Resources, though for an Adept it's usually best to put Attributes higher. You got most of the important skills down, but your going to want some social skill. Blending in is critical, so skills like etiquette and negotiation can be important. Just remember that most of your skills don't really have to be at 6, I find a whole bunch of skills at 4 to be very useful, only putting Stealth and maybe a hand to hand combat skill at 6. As for powers there are the obvious like Traceless Walk, and Imp. Stealth or other key skills, then there are some to choose between depending on the flavor you're looking for, Distance Strike, Killing Hands, missile Mastery, etc.
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post Aug 16 2004, 05:20 PM
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My favorite assassin character is an adept with a lot in stealth, a martial arts style such as ninjitsu or wild cat, killing hands, and the delayed damage (silent) adept power. The latter power basically allows you to do something like shake hands with a guy or brush by him in an elevator, then go get a sandwich, head home, watch some TV, and then when the time is right, allow your little astral damage bundle to blow up on the poor fella.

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post Aug 16 2004, 05:23 PM
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If you're going the cyber assassin route, don't forget a stepped reflex trigger for your wired reflexes: your twitchiness will give you away to experienced bodyguards well before you walk through a cyberware scanner. Disguise, Negotiations (Fast Talk), Etiquette and Intimidation are all useful skills. You'll want to go skill heavy and maybe consider Skillwires to ease the burden a bit.
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post Aug 16 2004, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE (Crusher Bob)
One of this big points of many assassin characters is their ability to blend in with the crowd.

Depending on the character generation system you're using (priority, points, 10, House Build Rules, etc.) you can acheive some different results. In our games we use priority but my GM allows 10 points worth of edges/flaws. You don't have to use them all but they have to be balanced (unless you just want more flaws). Anyway, in that or the point build system the edge "Blandness" is AMAZING! It's 2 points as I recall (I don't play characters that blend into crowds well) and it helps them remain undetected. A friend of mine swears by the rule of humans. Basically, the other races, by sheer statistics alone, stand out that much more in other people's minds and, if someone's tracking you, the TNs are just a little easier to find you. Adept is great for going in and out of places, especially corps., relatively unscathed. Enhanced Perception, killing hands, improved ability, improved sense (themo. vision without cyberware for a human, sound amplifier, etc; all just a few of the possible benefits from using such a character, though by no means necessary. Basically, what people have already mentioned should work well but the blandness just stuck out in the back of my mind. Oh yeah, there's also skill aptitude (for 4 points) and it gives -1 TNs on the chosen skill. Great for a specialization in something or a critical skill.
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post Aug 16 2004, 06:44 PM
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Centering is very nice when you're having to do those long range sniping shots.
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post Aug 16 2004, 11:32 PM
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QUOTE (FlakJacket)
Take Killing Hands Moderate and a half decent martial arts skill and you've got the same damage as a standard knife that's a lot harder to detect.

Minor point, but canon knives are (str) L physical, somewhat oddly.
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post Aug 17 2004, 12:00 AM
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I'd always thought i'd be cool to give an assassin type some Headware MP and an imagelink so they could keep a picture handy of the Mark.

Perhaps, a built in cyber-dart gun with some venom sacks full of Fugu-10 or something would be fun too or they exhalation venom breath or something out of the ordinary would be interesting.
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post Aug 17 2004, 12:48 AM
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How about a seductress with venom sacks. Quite literally the "kiss of death". Perhaps too noticeable as MO though.
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post Aug 17 2004, 02:43 AM
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From what i'm hearing, you guys think an Adept would be more useful as a hitman then a Cyber/bio junkie?

Sounds good. Any other thoughts?
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post Aug 17 2004, 03:40 AM
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It depends on whether or not your GM has Man & Machine, and whether or not he allows bioware at character creation. A character with the full range of that 'ware available can be very effective, and I'm not talking about only combat-oriented characters, either.

Cybered characters are actually better for versatility. Adepts are better when specialized. An adept's starting points are enough to let you specialize in about one or two areas, such as close combat and stealth - and you can add improved reflexes, for speed, after you've initiated a few times. But if your adept starts looking like he's spread too thin, you might want to compare him to what a cybered version would be like.
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post Aug 17 2004, 10:27 AM
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Are Adepts really the way to go with an Assassin character? I can see the benifits of the adept powers, but i'm not entierly convinced they can out-do a heavy-bioed assassin.

Lots of sugestions on how to make an Adept assassin, any ideas on a mostly bioed one?
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post Aug 17 2004, 10:36 AM
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I guess I'm of a rather unique school of thought, in that my favorite hitman character was mundane, and completely unaugmented. Sure, he'd get his ass handed to him in a fair fight, but who said hitmen fight fair?
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post Aug 17 2004, 02:12 PM
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All depends on what "style" your character is intending to follow. If its stree level hits for the mob, then cyber is going to be the option for intimidation and immediate effectiveness. Likewise this also goes for ex-military or corp death machines. Heck even cyber-zombies for out-and-out, in-your-face devastation. (Think Terminator)

If you wnat to go ninja then stealth and infiltration ability is highly recommended, so probably best to go for an adept. Most likely you'll also want extreme martial arts abilities and decent equipment. (Thinking of Crying Freeman here).

Personally, the best assassin is the one you never notice or even suspect, so a master of disguise would be darn effective. Taking a load of stuff to help you identify and get to your target, and then get away again, is more important than combat skills. (See the Jackal or even better, the original Day of the Jackal).

All in all, you ought to start with a clear concept of how you want to make your hits: demolitions? ritual sorcery? sniper rifle? poisons? unfortunate transportation accidents? orbital cow bombardments?
Once you have that, then you can create the character concept around it and build it up from there.

Oh and as for movies, you're darn right about them offering inspiration, but try to avoid re-creating the lead character. Become your own individual. Sure, take a good piece of movie cleaverness or particular concept that has "that's cool!" stamped all over it, but use it to enhance your character, not form the basis of who they are.

As for films that are worth checking out: Leon (a definative must-see), Nikita (the original french version) and Hard Boiled (Hong Kong action directed by John Woo) just because its gun-tastic!
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post Aug 17 2004, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE (SomeGuy)
Are Adepts really the way to go with an Assassin character? I can see the benifits of the adept powers, but i'm not entierly convinced they can out-do a heavy-bioed assassin.

What about a heavily-bioed Adept?

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