 Going full borg, I think I missed it here |
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 Aug 26 2004, 08:31 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 673 Joined: 30-March 04 Member No.: 6,206  |
I'm not sure, but someone posted a way to go full borg here somewhere in the past IIRC, involving extracting your brain and spine and implanting it into a full metal body. Is it possible to do this? I just got rigger 3 and I'm curious.
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Aug 26 2004, 08:34 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
with betaware and positive essence options, you can get all-cyber limbs, torso, skull, wired-3, reaction enh-6, a smartlink, eyes, and ears. who needs vehicles?
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Aug 26 2004, 08:52 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 7-August 04 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 6,549 |
Well, by the book you can do the following:
So ... a full body transplant would use the following stats:
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Aug 26 2004, 09:18 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,693 |
Thats not quite full borg, as theres still quite a lot of squishy stuff still in your torso.
Also, cyberskulls do't include ears or eyes, which are rather nessecary. |
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Aug 26 2004, 10:38 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Oz Member No.: 131 |
Raises an interesting point though - when you get a cyberskull/torso etc, do they get the ice cream scoop out with your inards or build the cyber bit in pieces in place?
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Aug 26 2004, 01:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 693 Joined: 26-March 03 Member No.: 4,335 |
Build in place, I would think. The cyber-torso and skull aren't cyber-replacement like the limbs are. They are more reinforcement to what already is there. Think of those two as a structural upgrade, rather than a replacement. You could even keep your original eyes and ears, etc.
So any shadowrun "full borg' is a lot more meaty than anything in CP2020 or RoboCop. You couldn't do a CP full borg conversion in SRun without serious cybermancy. (Mmmm... Cyber-zombie Dragoons... Mmmm). |
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Aug 26 2004, 02:10 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
I beieve that http://www.amurgsval.org/shadowrun/GoBorg.html is what you are looking for.
The basic idea is to use a VCR as an interface between the metahuman brain and a fully reobtic body, thus elemination the need for direct connections and, by extention, eleminating most of the essence cost. The downside is that the cyborg body counts as a rigged vehicle for all forms of magic. No magic resistance test and a magicial with this conversion will never have Line of Sight to anything although, Astral perception may still work. |
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Aug 26 2004, 02:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 236 Joined: 14-March 04 From: Cal Poly: SLO Member No.: 6,155 |
My group and I ruled that cybertorso is just the shell, and all the innards are still inside. We came up with a separate thing for the innards.
Internal_Organs_Kit(D) Costs the same as a cyberlimb. Replaces circulatory, respiratory, digestive, and other bodily functions of the torso with cybernetic parts. Also grants a clean metabolism. |
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Aug 26 2004, 03:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 486 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Fomorian Wastes Member No.: 6,538 |
Unless its an anthroform body, meta-human brain and cybereyes. |
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Aug 26 2004, 03:57 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
That's true, but it means that you'll be stuck in the same body unless you have someone with both Biotech and Drone B/R skills to help you. This defeats one of the major purposes of the biopod, the ability to clock 9-5 as a multi-ton- HMGs-and-SAMs mounted in-every-orafice Death Machine then go home and relax in your can't-tell -the-differance-if-you-have-sex-with-it realistic anthroform body. |
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Aug 26 2004, 04:33 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
But why bother with the physical act of sex when you can just tune into a special channel with your brain?
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Aug 26 2004, 04:45 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Because its more fun, of course. Its also a good way to get information. Seduction is the most classic of all espionage techniques. The multi-ton death machine can't seduce. It can't have any normal social interaction at all. It can't even fi tthrough most doos. But, it does have its uses. The ability to switch between a perfect body specificly designed to be attractive and a heavily armored combat body gives the best of both worlds. The fact that the biopoded Face can have a social body of any gender and race combonation makes it even more versitle. If you want to infiltrate the Orc Underground, all you need to do is get an Orc anthroform. |
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Aug 26 2004, 04:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 675 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 2,034 |
You can do a full cyberbody, ears, eyes, and a bit of actually usefull stuff for just under :nuyen: 1 million with a couple peices of alpha, a peg leg, and a hook hand in a by the book starting charachter.
Can turn into a not-completely-awful techie type charachter in the build point system with edges and flaws (whee lower racial maximums to 1 for all physical attributes!). That "extracting your brain" stuff is all house rules though. |
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Aug 26 2004, 08:03 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
What's the essence loss for having your brain and nervous system dropped into a jar?
More or less than existing cyber-zombies? -Siege |
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Aug 26 2004, 08:20 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
There's no essence loss for amputation. So long as no organs are replaced with cyberware the essence loss should be minimal. The house rules I linked to state .25 for a necessary biomoniter. |
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Aug 26 2004, 08:28 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
It was meant primarily as a rhetorical question - but for the brain pod to work, you need a biological support unit, some manner of interface between the pod and the outside world, even if it's just an industrial-strength datajack and some sort regulation system to maintain the brain during periods of being unplugged from external sensor systems.
I understand that amputation carries no essence loss, but removing the brain and nervous system from the organic host and integrating it into an artificial support system is not quite the same thing. -Siege |
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Aug 26 2004, 09:35 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 24-August 04 Member No.: 6,592 |
that's just crazy, one's essence is their spirit's recognition of their physical body; when your essence hits 0.0 then your spirit no longer recognizes your body and goes on to the spiritworld, leaving your body behind as it thinks it is dead unless cybermancy is employed..thinking you can just get rid of your body completely (except brain and spinal cord) and not lose hardly any essence is seriously backwards. in truth you would not lose .25 essence, you would have about that much left!
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Aug 26 2004, 09:45 PM
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Mr. Quote-function Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,312 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Germany Member No.: 1,376 |
Rulewise it's different however ... You simply don't loose Essence when you loose a limb (or more). The only impact on essence occurs once you make some unnatural additions that are directly "linked" to the rest of your body (not just neurally despite of the description in M&M) => Yes, you could remove the brain and spinal cord and put into a nutrition tank and only loose Essence for a datajack ... That's pretty much how a certain person called Roxborough ended up ... |
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Aug 26 2004, 10:34 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Er, essence is rediced for replacement systems, like cybereyes. In this case EVERYTHING would be a replacement system, meaning an ainsane amount of essence spent.
Roxborough still had a functioning body kept alive with technological assistance. |
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Aug 26 2004, 11:15 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
But, the anthroform drone isn't a replacement, it is a vehicle.Just walking in it requires a anthroform vehicle skill and it is subject to rigging rules. Sayng that it requires essence is like saying that a blind, dead, mute, and quadrapaligic rigger with a body of 1 should have to pay essence to directly jack into a giant anthroform robot. The brain in a pod is little more than a blind/deaf/mute/quadraplagic rigger qith a body of 1. The only difference is that it's smaller, so it can fit into a human-sized drone. |
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Aug 26 2004, 11:28 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
Dr.Halberstam's brain-in-a-box kids didn't have a body. They were just brains in a tank.
There's no mention of their essence, though, but it is obviously possible to disconnect a brain in that manner. They 'just' needed to recharge every 72 hours - disconnect for a few hours for diagnostics. They were very vulnerable to damage, however. In matrix terms: [ Spoiler ] Not sure how to handle that when the brain is plugged into a drone, but I'd assume that feedback has a similar effect. Not unreasonable, IMO - after all, without a functioning body to protect it and nurture it, the brain is fairly vulnerable. |
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Aug 27 2004, 02:50 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
Using used alphaware, it's entirely possibel for a starting character to begin play as a full borg. The Shadowrun cyberlimb rules do gimp that idea severely, though.
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Aug 27 2004, 02:54 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Not really cain, as the torso and skull are not cyber replacements, they are reinforcing the existing skull and torso. There's still a significant amount of meat.
There is no way legally by canon to do a full replacement like that. |
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Aug 27 2004, 11:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 637 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,528 |
Actually Robocop (at least the original movie version) still was quite "organic". I.e he still needed to eat, had his original face, one eye and most of the head etc. Guess he was close to the SR possible version. Birdy |
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Aug 27 2004, 11:54 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
In SR terms, Murphy would have been a cyber-zombie.
The crazed drug dealer turned mobile weapons platform in "Robocop 2" is an example of a brainpod. -Siege |
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