 [ShadowsOfEurope] European Flags, ...where are they ? |
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 Sep 3 2004, 12:07 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 193 Joined: 26-February 02 From: East Jerusalem Member No.: 2,022  |
It's been a while since I noticed it, and maybe someone already asked the question:
Where are the flags ? It was a nice addition to SoNA, and I can't believe the EuroSBers haven't thought about drawing flags given all the nice corporate logos. So what ? Is it supposed to be available on the website, is it in the works, or forgotten in the depths of the EuroSB project ? Regarding the new shape of Europe, I guess a few flags may have changed: UK obviously, Tir na nOg's must be brand new, Italy probably has changed its flag, there must be one for the Scand Union... I'm especially interested in seeing the flags of Euskalherria, Tir na nOg and the NEEC. --Skarn |
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Sep 3 2004, 02:12 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
The NEEC flag? Probably like the EU one, except it has nuyen signs instead of stars and a dragon in the center. D
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Sep 3 2004, 02:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
AFAIK the AGS still uses today's black-red-gold flag.
The various coats of arms of the AGS member states can be seen here (from the new German sourcebook "Brennpunkt: ADL). |
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Sep 3 2004, 04:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 326 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Vigo (Spanish Kingdom) Member No.: 1,446 |
Euskal Herria's flag would probably be quite near the actual flag of the vasq Community, though probably not exactly the same as it's the symbol for another couple Communities and a part of France. I'll give it a thought, since I must admit I hadn't really thought about it...
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Sep 3 2004, 06:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 216 Joined: 6-August 03 From: Polish Ghetto Member No.: 5,342 |
Mystic - http://www.fanpro.com/sr/material/wappen/frankfurt.gif - that's polish one:D . That's the robbery:) !!!
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Sep 3 2004, 08:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 193 Joined: 26-February 02 From: East Jerusalem Member No.: 2,022 |
I guess so if KS's cover art can be considered anything close to canon :D I *LOVE* this pic and its tons of details... the corp holo-logo, the scarf and so on... :love: |
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Sep 4 2004, 02:31 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
Most nations would just have their current flags. The only drastic change would be the Scandanavian union. All the countries have a theme of crosses so probably some variation on that, and Belgium's would disapear.
It's never been said what Tir Na Nog's clours are, I'm guessing the dandilion eaters would dump the green-white-orange of the modern republic. |
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Sep 4 2004, 07:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 381 |
All Scandinavian countries keep their flags, as in the European Union of today. Don't know if it says so anywhere in the book, but that's the way it is supposed to be (so take it as canon untill Rob Boyle says otherwise). They are still independent countries, despite the union. There will probably be a flag for the union as a whole too though.
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Sep 5 2004, 06:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
"KS"? I mainly thought of the Saeder-Krupp corp logo that is today's German flag with an added dragon's head. |
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Sep 5 2004, 08:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 193 Joined: 26-February 02 From: East Jerusalem Member No.: 2,022 |
Klaus Schwerinski, German illustrator (my favorite) who did the SoE cover and much of the artwork in German products (Schockwellen in particular). I guess the red-haired guy on the cover is some kind of German nationalist/terrorist with a Basque friend. Since I suppose his jacket is less than 20 years old, it would mean the flag is still the same (but it may also be a tribute to the former BRD as it exists with DDR symbols today). Now this is assuming illos are anything close to canon. Logically the Union Jack has changed, reverting to the 1606 version (check this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Jack) with the loss of Ireland. BTW, does Great Britain aknowledge the independence of Ireland ? Did they accept to change their flag to accept this humiliation ? There's probably a Scand Union flag, maybe one for Russian Poland. I'm not sure Italy would keep its since it's not a unitarian Republic anymore. |
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Sep 8 2004, 01:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 326 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Vigo (Spanish Kingdom) Member No.: 1,446 |
Probably, each part of Italy would have a new flag, maybe something related to their history or something like it. It would surely be something that sets each one's individuality, as they try to break bonds with the old Italy.
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Sep 9 2004, 05:33 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 439 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .se Member No.: 625 |
Couldn't Italy just revert back to flags used previously?
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Sep 9 2004, 06:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 193 Joined: 26-February 02 From: East Jerusalem Member No.: 2,022 |
Possibly, but the breakdown is at places slightly different from that of the different regions that joined to form a united Italy under the banner of Piedmont & Sardinia in 1870. Plus there would still be a flag for the Confederation (I thought more about this one). Depending on what the political will to re-unify is, this may be the current-day flag with Papal symbols on it :) |
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Sep 9 2004, 10:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
Hmmm, I noticed that there were no flags for the European nations as well. Compared to SoNA I thought that this was a bit of an oversight. but then I remembered that the European nations aren't all new and spangly like the NAN state. Therefore they'd still use their traditional flags - or ones that invoke the earlier themes/heraldry of previous times. thus, there are really no "new" flags and that means a little research will turn up the ones in use today.
The final point of consideration as to why these modern flags weren't used is quite a simple one really. How many of Europe's nations have flags that are of three distinct colours? Quite a few and many nations share the same three colours too, just in a different order or alignment (IE: horizontal instead of vertical). Therefore, distinguishing between those similar flags is not so easy for a book without interior colour illustrations. Still, a website download would be cool. Oh, and Skarn Ka. The UK flag - the Union Jack hasn't changed. We Brits are too stuck in our ways to do so, hence the comments about St. Patrick's cross in the Land section of the UK Chapter. |
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Sep 12 2004, 11:32 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
BBB How many brit's today recognize what the cross of St. Patrick is? I know the English have St. George and the Scotts St Andrew as national emblems but do they know about St. Patrick? maybe some noise from the Welsh?
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Sep 13 2004, 06:50 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 439 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .se Member No.: 625 |
Welsh? Wasn't Saint Patrick Irish?
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Sep 14 2004, 12:04 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
He was in fact Welsh in his origins, despite becoming the Patron Saint of Ireland. then again St. George was allegedly from somewhere around Albania or Slovakia.
As for the flags - St.Georges (England) cross is the vertical/horizontal red upon white background; St. Andrews (Scotland) cross is the diagonal white upon dark blue background; and St. Patrick's (Irish) cross is diagonal red upon white background. Combined they make up the Union Jack. The Welsh flag is a red dragon upon a green field, I believe - there are a multitude of county-based flags and Wales has long been considered English land. |
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