 [Dragons6thW] "Dragons" thoughts, possible spoilers |
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 Aug 31 2003, 08:30 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 422 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Columbus, OH Member No.: 875  |
Just a few quick thoughts about DoT6W...
I don't think Aden deserved as many pages as he got. I found his section to be largely useless. I was most happy with Rhonabwy/Sea Dragon and Celedyr sections. Everything else was pretty much as I figured. As for the lesser dragons section, I think Alamais should have gotten more space, as well as Eliohann, considering he was being positioned as a up and comer. Perianwyr's section was funny. What happend to Kyle Morgan? Am I forgetting something from another sourcebook? |
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Aug 31 2003, 08:32 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
No, this is the first appearence of the death of Kyle Morgan.
I think Aden's section could have been better, at least hinting at things. |
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 Sep 4 2003, 01:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 107 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 75 |
I looked over the Aden section. Think of it not so much as source material on Aden, but on the Middle East. Then it gets really useful. |
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Sep 4 2003, 02:03 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
The Aden material also gains special interest if you add to your reading list sections of the Lofwyr chapter from "DotSW", the Ibn Eisn/IUM section of "YotC" , the Constantinople writeup in "SOTA63" and for some less obvious tie-ins in the Deserts chapter in "Target:Wastelands" and the short Odessa writeup in "SSG".
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Sep 4 2003, 12:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,478 |
i'm really confused. what would have made aden's section more "useful"? or, what makes it less useful than other writeups?
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Sep 4 2003, 01:30 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Well, you didn't see much of the dragon in anything. Lots about the Middle East and the Kurds getting their own country (I thought that was a neat idea) and the New Islamic Jihad, but not so much on Aden him/herself.
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Sep 4 2003, 02:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 422 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Columbus, OH Member No.: 875 |
Exactly. I figured his section would have been better in a different sourcebook. |
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Sep 7 2003, 08:30 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Really? I thought we saw a fair bit of Aden through all that. Since he seems to be a lot more reclusive than some other dragons, you're much more likely to see the ripples/fallout from his behind the scenes actions than anything. Personally, I really liked the Aden chapter. :/ |
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Sep 7 2003, 08:58 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
I liked that chapter too. But, when compared to say, RHonabwy and the Sea Dragon's chapter...Aden doesn't get out much.
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Sep 7 2003, 10:46 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
I think that was the point. Apart from Sirrug, Aden was meant to be the most reclusive of the known Greats, his actions are felt rather than seen and in that respect I think the chapter is particularly well written. Where even Lofwyr's actions are visible through the means he uses, Aden's give the impression of almost invisible ripples that actually affect the lives of thousands if not millions of people. This lends his 'visible' actions (like levelling Tehran) all the more weight and make him more frightening than he might otherwise be.
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Sep 8 2003, 08:46 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
And people wonder why he's my favorite.
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Sep 8 2003, 09:07 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
I thought Arleesh was the Most Reclusive Great Dragon?
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Sep 9 2003, 05:50 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
I figure that at any given time there's a bigger chance of meeting Arleesh while she goes about her crusade than Aden who sits at home and meddles in the world in the most discreet fashion.
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Sep 18 2003, 04:49 PM
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Dictator Tot Group: Retired Admins Posts: 33 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 189 |
Also keep in mind the rather virulent prejudice against the Awakened in the Middle East.
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Sep 18 2003, 05:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
I had a question about the rules concerning Drakes. They say you can play one with ST permission and tell you how to get the priorities set up for such a character but the information seems a little sparse. For example they simply say that the stats are slightly higher than the norm for its metahuman form and that the stats are the same for both the metahuman form and the drake. The fact that the character would be going from (as an example) six feet in hight to nine feet (roughly) would seem to imply some change in stats. Also what is "slightly" in reference to stats? Are there any further rules on this or is it just up to house rules?
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Sep 18 2003, 06:01 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
There are rules and stats in the GM section, I'll give 'em another go-over when I get home and can look at my book again.
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Sep 18 2003, 09:31 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
<flip, flip> The stats for converting Namegiver-to-Drake form are in Threats 2. Ye can easily do the same thing with the DotSW stats by pretending that the stats for the bred drake are for "average" humans: i.e. all attributes are 3.
Y'know, I think a Giant-turned-drake could just about arm-wrestle an adult dragon... |
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Sep 22 2003, 03:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
Ok, that makes sense. Assume normal human stat of three and that gives you all the bonuses to attributes. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Nov 13 2003, 06:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430 |
Just started reading Dragons and was thinking about a few things.
I know it wasn't one of the greats or anything but it deserves some mention, Hasselich. He was shot down by Ghost in one of the secrets of power trilogy books. Never said if he died or anything. That was one of the coolest scenes ever. Ghost was a smokin sammy! Also wasn't there another dragon mentioned in the books? I think it was a partner of Verner's love interest (not Sally Tsung). |
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Nov 19 2003, 06:48 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
hasselich--that wasn't the one that got wasted in Into the Shadows, was it?
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Nov 19 2003, 09:17 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Haesslich was the dragon killed in the first Secrets of Power novel. He worked for an AA oil company and got himself killed by shadowrunners (of all things) from Twist's crew more than 10 years ago. Why bother with him when DotSW was meant to cover the current status quo amongst the Scaly Ones?
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Nov 19 2003, 01:38 PM
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Not Cameron Diaz Group: Retired Admins Posts: 472 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Newark, Delaware Member No.: 188 |
Tessien. It was a feathered serpent. |
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Jan 3 2004, 08:47 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 909 |
Re: Kyle Morgan, the adventure Mercurial (from about 1990) is set up to finish with Morgan dead one way or the other, barring some player weirdness.
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Jan 3 2004, 07:02 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Au contraire. Morgan was made to survive Mercurial, only to show up again in A Killing Glare.
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Jan 5 2004, 03:22 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
The chica's name is Katharine Hart. Freelancer, mage, hotty elf. Y'know, the usual. And IIRC, Tessien got wacked by Haesslich. |
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