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post Sep 24 2004, 05:58 PM
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Ok so I was checking out the new posts today and saw a topic that was called hiding a smartlink.

No I did not read it but it brought up a thought for me (OUCH dam thinking hurts).

So here it is we now live in a world where wireless is becomeing the best thing to have so question?

Will there be a wireless smartlink some time soon?

Now by wireless I mean you get the brain implant then you mod out the gun and that is it no cords or wires in your arms.

I think this is the next direction cyber would go in some cases and it of course means less essance cost to the user.

I know I know .5 essance is not much but hey we as players (or at least most of us) are always happy to find a way to make our characters better so a .5 smartlink is good but a .2 wireless smartlink is better.

Also from a game stand point in has it's own built in flaw.... What you say simple signal jammers that can keep a runner from useing his/her smartlink.

Anyway just a thought or two look it over toss it around let me know what you think.
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post Sep 24 2004, 06:03 PM
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You don't just have to worry about jamming, but also about an opponent hacking your SL signal and taking control of your gun (oh, those MIJI-riggers are going to love this....).

If the wireless matrix initiative really takes off, though, wireless might become the new optical for SR.
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post Sep 24 2004, 06:07 PM
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well, good encryption makes stuff like that really hard. i'd just say that all wireless-based cyber has base encryption of 6, maybe +2 per grade over basic. that makes it so that it's possible, if someone really sits down and does their best to haxx0r a specific target, but it's still basically impossible to randomly hack Joe Samurai.

honestly, i'm hoping that's what the WMI will be--a near-complete paradigm shift in SR's tech. i mean, the wired stuff will still be there, but all the cool people and megas will be using wireless at their cutting-edge facilities.
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post Sep 24 2004, 06:16 PM
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Ok just what is the decker hacking into and controling???

The gun? Ok I drop it no more threat. Or better yet encryption as MFB stated.

The brain ware? Again encryption would be the thought.

Where as a team that carries around a small directional signal jammer say about the size of a midsized cell phone of today that would work nicely. Power and range are not a big deal with this jammer you just need to keep the sec forces or other runners from being able to hit you.
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post Sep 24 2004, 06:37 PM
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indeed.

honestly, though? i'm picturing GitS-style brainhacking, and drooling all over the goddamn place. someone get me a towel.
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post Sep 24 2004, 06:42 PM
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The other thing that concerns me is that, at the moment, any form of wireless communication that you install in your brain has a very hefty Essence cost in it; .75 for a cell phone, .6 for a radio tranceiver. Assuming that these values make any sense at all, there must be some sort of fundamental problem with putting transmitters into cyberware. Is that just going to be suddenly ignored now?
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post Sep 24 2004, 07:07 PM
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No, but the issue is that the current wireless systems in SR seem to have serious miniturization problems, and further, those wireless comm systems have much higher flux than you would need to control your SL'd gun.

By the way, there's no reason to think that a brain can be hacked, even in SR. Think about just how much code psychotropic ice takes, and then imagine trying to whip up something even remotely similar on the fly.
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post Sep 24 2004, 07:09 PM
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Perhaps its that the amount of shielding needed to stop you getting brain cancer pushes the cost up?
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post Sep 24 2004, 07:26 PM
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Ok just what is the decker hacking into and controling???

The gun? Ok I drop it no more threat. Or better yet encryption as MFB stated.


My concern with an opponent "hacking" the wireless network was meant to suggest that if the owner can send commands to the firearm through the wireless SL, then an opposing party could do the same, potentially booting the owner from his own miniature "wireless network" or issuing new commands to the firearm. Of course, encryption would help prevent this from happening, but encryption is only so good. In highly secure areas where scanning is already in effect with powerful decryption modules (e.g., to listen to hostile, encrypted radio traffic), I see a wireless SL being a real vulnerability.
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post Sep 24 2004, 08:03 PM
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Or, any corp whose security doesnt use smartlinks *which is a lot of them" could buy a fairly cheap transmitter and flood jam the smartlink frequencies. You open yourself to a LOT more problems being wireless.
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post Sep 24 2004, 08:06 PM
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you wouldn't even have to do something so overt as issuing commands to the firearm. you just submit incorrect targetting data to the smartlink. ta-da, +4 TN.
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post Sep 24 2004, 09:25 PM
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Maybe you could hack the visual interface, multiply the crosshairs until they cover your whole field of vision?
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post Sep 24 2004, 11:17 PM
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In a world where wireless smart links are common as a corp sec chef I would procure an SK that would scan and decode all wireless communications of the type that controls smart guns. It will succeed within minutes against rating 8 encryption When it comes to a fight I would issue to all guns not belonging to my security an order that would make them useless. Eject clip, clear chamber. Safety on, power off. When the opponent is alone in a well-built corridor I would give a fire order. Many holster positions would cause problems with this.

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post Sep 24 2004, 11:23 PM
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people would notice that, Axe. what they might not notice is you moving the crosshairs 5 degrees to the left, so that when the crosshairs are centered on the target, the aim is 5 degrees off.
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post Sep 25 2004, 01:57 AM
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in a world where computer security is play catchup (like it seems to be doing in sr) wireless is a bad idea for stuff that require high-security. allso wires are allways going to be more reliable (just watch your connection speed when useing wifi or the quality of connection useing a cellphone).
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post Sep 25 2004, 04:17 AM
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As someone who's only vaguely familiar with the topic -- what about a tech like Bluetooth? It's entirely possible I'm way off with BT's capabilities, but it's my understanding that the frequencies are very short range, thus eliminating the likelihood of both detection/interception and jamming. I'm thinking the same concept for a smartlink as is used with all the wireless headsets for modern cell phones.
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post Sep 25 2004, 07:17 AM
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It is because of blue tooths short range that it is so easily jammed and when you have a receptor in each corridor interception becomes trivial. Those receptors would also serve to implement squealers and any other blue tooth style tech the facility used.

If you reed the sprawl survival guide the wireless home networking would be the 2060 equivalent..

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post Sep 25 2004, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE (Zenmaxer)


By the way, there's no reason to think that a brain can be hacked, even in SR. Think about just how much code psychotropic ice takes, and then imagine trying to whip up something even remotely similar on the fly.

Apart from the fact that it was done in technobabel...
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post Sep 25 2004, 05:56 PM
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Well now this is turning out to be a good topic I think.

Although I have to ask about the frequencies point. How many runners you know would buy this system and not mod it to a new frequency of there choice that is non-reg? I mean think about it if the signal was short range say 3-5 feet why would a runner give a frag about messing with another signal in his area? Lastly I don't know about you but as a runner I don't walk around with my gun out. It is powered down holstered and safetied so the scaning idea with a sk would not work untill the bs hits the fan. Then as was said it would take minutes combat is done with in 1 to 2 minutes so the sk idea is again shot down. Even then I'd have a back up non-smart weapon.

Also who says sec forces and/or lonestar don't use smartlinks? Some of those boys can have and/or do have mil-spec cyber.
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post Sep 25 2004, 06:23 PM
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problem is that when toy drop in hz you drop in bandwidth most of the time. this limits the range to use. and whats stopping the corp from blanket jamming the entire range and rely on wired systems? drones trailing fibreoptics, and normal comunications radios fall way out of the hz range of data traffic so you can jam the wireless smartlink of the runners without jamming coms.

while its a cool idea (and its used in blue planet) it breaks in a game that have rules for jamming...
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post Sep 26 2004, 02:53 PM
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Because going all out with wires can get expensive and clumsy. Do you really want people to be able to disable your drones by chopping some cords?


Second, that was a special case in technobabel involving a mindprobing mage going at it with a souped up otaku*, and one of my rules is that the novels in no way set precedent in relation to game rules or developments.

Finally, not all wireless communications technology runs on radio frequencies, or even EM emissions. There are plenty of ways to create a secure channel between the gun and the runner and to ensure that it isn't hijacked. Lastly, wireless smartlinking prolly won't ever be common, as only those with something to hide or a need to conserve some essence would ever use it.

Oh and pure frequency jamming prolly isn't going to work as I imagine that SL-wifi would prolly frequency hop towards open bands.

::grins:: though... if you could hack it, what I'd do is introduce agonizing neural feedback and aim for some stun damage.

*It was more like Brain-IC than anything else.
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post Sep 26 2004, 09:07 PM
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to disable said drones you first have to get close to them. and there are simpler ways to disable them then by cutting said cord (like say blowing them the hell up). allso, there is a question about how hard it is to cut said cord. it could be coverd with kevlar like materials or so on to protect against being cut, and most likely will be if the wire is being used on security grade drones.

as for frequenzy hopping wifi, like i stated if you go outside the band used by wifi today you get one of two effects. bad bandwidth or bad range.

as for useing something other then the em spectrum, only two things i can think about is sonic and light (or is light part of the em spectrum?). both have sever downsides. sonics are even easyer to jam then em. and light needs line of sight, so no more attaching a guncam and looking around corners with it. in fact this is why bluetooth got made, to have a wireless link to a cellphone that didnt need line of sight.

the good old smartlink you cant jam in the normal sense as it works on magnetic fields and the ability to turn them on and off. that is unless you get damn close to a magnet or get a damn powerfull magnet (and then jamming smartlinks would be the least of your problems).
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post Sep 26 2004, 10:30 PM
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as for frequenzy hopping wifi, like i stated if you go outside the band used by wifi today you get one of two effects. bad bandwidth or bad range.
Rigger netowrks already do this, it's listed in the book.
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post Sep 26 2004, 11:55 PM
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yes but they still hop inside the range that have the ability to transport the datastreams and the bandwidth needed (wifi uses frequency hopping and it stays within 6 channels or so inside the band able to transfer data at the rate needed). and they in fact use three seperate frequencies. issue the guards with smartlinks or smartgoggles, blanket jam the band used for datatransfer, and you will make life hard for any rigger or sammie useing wireless systems.
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post Sep 27 2004, 12:03 AM
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Yep, it's called flood jamming. For every three points of power output put into flood jamming you automaitcally add one box of damage to all three channels of all rigger's signal monitors, and there's absolutely nothing they can do about it.
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