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 Oct 1 2004, 06:12 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 167 Joined: 11-August 04 Member No.: 6,556  |
When a mage is astrally projected can he active and/or deactivate a focus on his physical body.
For example if he has a spirit(fire elemental) focus that is not activated on his body and he runs into a fire elemental while astrally projected can he activate this focus to deal with the fire elemental. Another reason for this question is to avoid foci addiction and only have active foci that are needed at that moment in time. |
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Oct 1 2004, 06:43 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
But don't foci go astral with the magician? Or is that only active foci?
I think focus addiction only comes into play if you use Magic x 2 in combined foci rating in the same turn, so you can always turn one off and another one on. |
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Oct 1 2004, 08:08 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
By the book, foci do not have to be active to go with someone projecting. Thats why you can also take Fetishes (which are never active).
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Oct 1 2004, 09:12 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 30-October 03 From: France Member No.: 5,775 |
The foci is bonded ? yeah ? so it comes with the guy whatever it's active or not...
i (personnally) don't allow it (anymore) cause of astrally projecting , cyber crazy PC healing , mages that were using using 2 , one to ease the casting , one to ease the drain |
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Oct 2 2004, 10:30 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I also don't allow Fetishes to accompany a Projecting mage. Anything Bonded does accompany the mage though, and can be activated or deactivated on demand.
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Oct 4 2004, 01:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 28-September 04 From: The Smoke Member No.: 6,709 |
I thought the only focus which accompanied you when projecting was a weapon focus.....
That changes things considerably. |
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Oct 4 2004, 07:33 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: 12-September 04 Member No.: 6,654 |
I think it's a little overpowered to be able to have this huge number of bonded foci. We've usually house-ruled that focus addiction occurs when a mage bonds more than twice his magic attribute in foci. |
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Oct 4 2004, 10:53 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
I am out of town at the moment so cant check any books.
Foci are expensive and it takes an action to deactivate and another to activate another. I believe this is sufficient limitation. Also if you say focus addiction is based of number of foci bonded then how often do you test for magic loss. The way I interpreted the rules if you activate a extra focus you are at significant risk and time increases that risk fast. If deactivating the focus doesn’t help then you will bur out within days. How well understood is focus addiction IC, can you justify siting on the limit safely. If you want a limit on bonded foci I would say a number of foci (not force) equal to int or maybe will or a total force of magic *4 (so you still can safely have more foci than you can safely activate). How can you use 2 fetishes at once. I just don’t get that comment by Liquid_Obsidian. I thought fetishes did need to be bonded, it just doesn’t cost karma and is relatively easy. Edward |
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Oct 4 2004, 11:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
You can not take the same limitation twice for the same spell. You can take both the fetish limitation and the exclusive limitation for a single spell, but they must apply to different aspects (one to karma cost and the other to drain). Also, fetishes *do* need to be bonded - it requires a mini-ritual that takes a number of hours equal to the force of the fetish limited spell, and must be conducted seperately for each fetish limited spell in that category. Fetishes do not go with you when you astrally project. Nor do they need to. In order to cast a fetish-limited spell, the fetish must be in contact with the caster's body - which stays behind while you're out astrally projecting. If someone picks the fetish up off of your body while you are out projecting, you lose the ability to cast spells linked to that fetish. |
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Oct 5 2004, 01:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 28-September 04 From: The Smoke Member No.: 6,709 |
Where does it say that fetishes need to be bonded? I've never seen that, and I specifically went looking for it a while back.
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Oct 5 2004, 08:44 PM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
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Oct 6 2004, 11:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 28-September 04 From: The Smoke Member No.: 6,709 |
Right, cool. Is that over and above learning the spell or is that part of the process?
I run a shaman, and he needs to meditate in his lodge anyway... just trying to determine how many hours it takes for each one. |
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Oct 6 2004, 06:00 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
That is just for attuning the Spell that the particular Focus will be sustaining. If you later want to change the specific spell that the Focus' sustains, you have to repeat the ritual.
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Oct 6 2004, 06:14 PM
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Mr. Quote-function Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,312 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Germany Member No.: 1,376 |
Check your core rules under Astral Attributes (somewhere around p. 173 IIRC) ... It says there that fetishes accompany you along your astral journey, just as foci ... |
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Oct 6 2004, 06:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Oh, right. Heh. Of course thats not mentioned in the description of fetishes, and of course there isnt even a listing for "fetish" in the (*cough* worthless *cough*)index that would prompt me to look there. Oh well, it doesnt change the fact that you get to use them while projecting.
I can think of exactly one situation where it might make a difference: lets say that you go off a-projecting with your fetishes and foci, and some thieves find your comatose body, recognize that you are alive but projecting (one of them can astrally percieve) and carefully strip you of all your possessions without causing you any harm. Do the auras of the fetishes and foci that accompanied you on your journey disappear as they are removed from your meatbody, or do they stick around with your astral form until you return, at which point you no longer have access to them? |
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Oct 6 2004, 07:06 PM
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Mr. Quote-function Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,312 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Germany Member No.: 1,376 |
Good question ... I'd vote for "you no longer have access to them". There's no explicit ruling on that, but something that heavily implies so: Whatever happens to your meat body happens to your astral body and vice versa, when it comes to damage and healing. By the same token I'd say that removing foci or fetishes should lead to the instant removal of their astral forms as well ... |
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Oct 6 2004, 10:33 PM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
I vote along with Cochise. We play that removing a focus or fetish from your physical body will cause it to vanish from your astral form.
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Oct 6 2004, 11:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 241 Joined: 20-September 04 Member No.: 6,682 |
I would vote against that. If you are currently carrying a bonded item, when you astrally project, what goes jaunting along with you is an astral projection of the focus\fetish\thingigummy, and the physical location of its "body" is not relevant.
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Oct 6 2004, 11:17 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
I think I'll go ahead and set up a poll. See what people who might not be monitoring this thread think.
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Oct 7 2004, 11:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 28-September 04 From: The Smoke Member No.: 6,709 |
I re-read the rules on fetishes last night. When you learn the spell with a fetish limit the fetish is attuned to it as part of learning the spell. However, if it's lost, stolen or destroyed you need to reattune the spell to the fetish and vice versa which takes Force hours to do. Which is cool, doesn't mean I have to add time retroactively :o)
As for sustaining foci, to change the spell it sustains is a rebonding as far as I can remember. My mage player uses sustaining foci and has from the start, so I've looked them up several times :o) |
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