new Matrix run thread?, any chance of this happening? Options

[GlassJaw]

Probe IC could affect my logoff too right? That would make my TN really high. Is there a chance I didn't see it but it's affecting? If so, I might have to try to find it and destroy.

Before I do that, I'll try another Graceful Logoff:

1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 10, 10, 11, 11

[Kagetenshi]

You catch sight of a gray blob rushing towards you as you sever connection with the system. The room snaps into focus around you.

[ Spoiler ]

He got four successes, system got one. Tally up to twelve, triggering more IC, but not quickly enough. He didn’t trigger a passive alert (Step 20), and as such the security tally will clear relatively quickly.

In this case the Crippler didn’t act as quickly as it could have. In future forays, it will be less forgiving.

[Kagetenshi]

[GlassJaw]

Ok, I read the spoiler on this one just because I wanted to see why I was able to get out. Can I go back and read the others?

So I was up to about 12 on the security tally. Why didn't I notice any IC before? Is it because my Sensor test didn't detect anything? What can I do to be more aware when things happen?

[Kagetenshi]

You didn’t perform a Locate IC operation, and the IC, while proactive, didn’t start proacting yet. I suppose you can read the other spoilers, but if you do I’ll be rerandomizing the security sheaf. The security rating and soforth will remain the same, though.

~J

[GlassJaw]

[Kagetenshi]

You can edit it however you’d like; it’ll be a Computers test against a low TN (again, negligible protection). The contents are a bunch of receipts, statements, and some system logs, as well as a security photo. From what you can tell, it seems to span the course of several years, amounting to a total take of about sixty-five thousand nuyen, a decent chunk of it in a car that was signed over to your friend under suspicious circumstances. No mention is made of how the evidence was discovered.

~J

[GlassJaw]

Ok, cool. Can do I a global find and replace with my client's name and his boss? Then I want to delete the security photo as well.

My Computer is 6 and I have a TP of 3:

2, 3, 3, 5, 5, 5, 11, 11, 14

[Kagetenshi]

You do so with ease. Anything else you want to do?

~J

[GlassJaw]

[Kagetenshi]

You can do whatever to the file, just checking what you wanted. You do have to perform the Logon operations again, though.

~J

[GlassJaw]

[Kagetenshi]

The corp itself is on the same RTG as you are, but a different PLTG. I suppose we skipped a LTG logon earlier: you’ll be going LTG > RTG > LTG > PLTG.

~J

[GlassJaw]

Yikes. I can really see how your security tally can rise fast. I never really realized the benefits of jacking in from the inside. Of course, you have to get inside.

Anyway, here are my Logon attempts, all with Deception 6.

LTG: 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 4, 5, 5, 8, 8, 8, 9

RTG: 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 9, 10, 17

LTG: 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 9, 10, 17

Host (PTG): 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 7, 10, 10

PHEW!!

[Kagetenshi]

You reach the PLTG with little incident, bumping into the errant bit here and there.

[ Spoiler ]

The hosts got one, zero, one, and zero successes, respectively. Our antihero ends up with a net Tally of one going into the corp host because security tally is always passed down the chain, never up it.

[hobgoblin]

about that null op. what you do is to basicly tally the time the icon of the decker sits idle and then use that to set the targetnumber for the null op. basicly the longer you sit around the easyer it will become for the host to detect that something funny is going on.

i like the use of spoiler tags in this thread ;)

and swapping in a app can be done in the background and you can have more then one operation running at the same time (you just have to multiplex the bandwidth available, just like opening multiple webpages or downloading more then one file at a time in real life). its just the initiation of the swap mem operation that takes a simple action (either when you yourself is in combat or when the rest of the team is on combat. take a look at the non-combat actions section on page 209 in sr3. i defines a nice system for use both to time how long stuff takes and for when a decker is in the system while his team mates are in combat).

[GlassJaw]

[Kagetenshi]

You find the file without difficulty, it's right where you left it. In a matter of seconds the old file is gone and the new is in place, with only a brief stutter.

[ Spoiler ]

System rolled a single success on the latter test, which together with his tally from the LTG leaves him at 2. 6 is still the first trigger, so he's pretty safe to do another operation or three.

[GlassJaw]

Hmm, so far, so good...and that's the problem.

I'm going to do an Analyze Security.

Analyze 6: 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9

[Kagetenshi]

Security Rating: Green 8

Alert Status: No Alert

System Alert Level: 0x0eb4 (two points of security tally)

[ Spoiler ]

No successes from the host to detect him, so tally stays as it was.

[Kagetenshi]

That's a question. If you use Analyze Security, does it return the security tally before or after the use of the program? For instance, Joe Bob the decker has Tally 5, and rolls a hundred billion successes on Analyze Security. The host rolls two successes against Joe's DF. Does he find out Tally 5 or Tally 7?

~J

[hobgoblin]

i think thats upto gm. atleast its never defined in the books...

[CirclMastr]

[Fortune]

I'd rule that Analyze Security program returns totally up-to-date data, so it would give the tally after the host's successes were added.

If that isn't logical enough, here's another way of looking at it. Wouldn't the host's detection test take place immediately upon activation of the decker's Analyze Security program, therefore the host accrues its successes before the results of the AS program are processed.

[Necro Tech]

Just a quick break in. If you want to put the file where his supervisor can't delete it you have a couple options.

1.) Edit the file and raise the required user access from supervisor to superuser (if said exec doesn't have it).

2.) Rename and move the file to another host and hope he doesn't have the computer savy to find the thing.

3.) Edit the file so that all search querries for the file from his station find something else (a self deleting trojan program that disappears when the file you want found is properly accessed).

4.) Perform edit slave on the supervisors work station to filter all incoming data to have a similar affect as #3 above.

Just a few thoughts.