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 Oct 13 2004, 02:08 AM
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Immoral Elf  Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486  |
No, it would be a normal attack staged to 'D'.
Average human assumes 3 in the Skill and 3 in Combat Pool, which is 6 dice. This is enough to stage an 'M' wound to 'D'. Considering that in the worst case the defender would get no successes on his resistance roll, he would be in a world of hurt. This is a much more common and likely scenario than the coffee cup assassin. |
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Oct 13 2004, 02:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 9-October 04 From: I'm in Hell! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! (A.K.A Alabama) Member No.: 6,739 |
An average human consists of 2 combat dice pool, and no skill therefore forced to resort to their 2 STR, making it 3 dice, which if I remember right, under normal rules won't kill.
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Oct 13 2004, 02:15 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
You're both wrong. An average human has quickness, intelligence, and willpower of 3 each. Combat pool is (qui+int+wil)/2 rounded down. (3+3+3)/2 = 4.5, round down to 4.
Even if you assumed that "average" stats are 2's, which isnt true, you'd still come up with a combat pool of 3. |
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Oct 13 2004, 02:21 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
While the average human will in fact have a Combat Pool of 4, he could use no more than 3 of those dice (hence my figures) when emploting his average Skill of 3. :) |
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Oct 13 2004, 02:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 9-October 04 From: I'm in Hell! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! (A.K.A Alabama) Member No.: 6,739 |
Ok, 4+1=5=S=Club
But that's not the real argument, the real argument is weather or not a bad burn will heal faster then a broken bone or D damage, or whatever you say a club is. D damage, if I remember right, takes a month to heal now, but considering the horrible funding for burn victims we have today, I doubt we will have much better cures for the pain/damage. Another part of the arugment is weather clubs do more immedate damage then coffee. Coffee does horrible burns. (For all intents and purposes, lets say the coffee is somewhere between 100-102 Degrees Celcius. In this case, I beleve that as long as the club strike does not kill the target, which we just proved is impossible by a normal human, the coffee is much more painful and burning and generaly nasty then a serious wound. EDIT: Ok, THE AVERAGE PERSON DOES NOT HAVE WEAPON SKILLS. |
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Oct 13 2004, 02:25 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
We're not referring to Joe Citizen, but rather a person with an average skill in Thrown Liquids as opposed to an average skill in Clubs. Using a person with average attributes only makes sense. |
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Oct 13 2004, 02:35 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
people a copule of points coffee is usually served between 85-90 C for best flavour.
and burns heal as fask as fractures. in a setting where vat skin is cheap, proably faster. I have fallen into a bonfire and broken a leg... guess which healed quicker. My father had a large mug of boiling coffee fall into his lap, and circumcision required due to permanent damage aside, it healed faster than my broken leg. |
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Oct 13 2004, 02:39 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Given that the coffee assumed at the beginning of the thread was deliberately intended to be used for attacking (weaponized coffee, so to speak), I'd say it'd be as hot as it can be without all boiling away. Flavour is not important, but smell is good so that one can convincingly say it's coffee.
~J |
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Oct 13 2004, 03:08 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
95-98 C then, past that you get a smell of BAAAD coffee. doesn't change my other point.
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Oct 13 2004, 03:15 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: 12-September 04 Member No.: 6,654 |
That sucks. Regardless, I still like the analogy to shock weapons. Base damage should definitely be L. It is simply not going to do the amount of damage a pistol shot is capable of. A base Damage Level of L allows it to be staged up to S or D (I don't feel like doing math right now), and with a called shot, easily up to D. As for Power, obviously it shouldn't rely on strength. 3 - 4 sounds pretty good, and I've heard them mentioned a few times. As anyone you would throw coffee at probably isn't wearing armor, a body of 3 against a TN of 3 should yield 2 successes if my math is correct, and against a TN of 4 1.5 successes (both assuming no use of combat pool on the part of the defender, which may or may not be accurate). That seems about right. Any other effects caused by the coffee are simulated nicely by the shock rules. |
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Oct 13 2004, 03:42 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Weeelll, dad certainly looked shocked.
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Oct 13 2004, 05:31 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Healing times shouldn't factor in to what Level of Damage an attack is, since the DL's main purpose is to keep tabs on when a character loses consciousness and dies. A Deadly wound is something that causes immediate loss of consciousness and will kill Average Joe in 27 seconds if Physical.
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Oct 13 2004, 10:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 9-October 04 From: I'm in Hell! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! (A.K.A Alabama) Member No.: 6,739 |
Such as having weaponized coffee in your breathing hole.
Be serious, when it first hits, if you have no protection, you're going to be in a WORLD of hurt. |
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Oct 14 2004, 12:06 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
I still think we should be working on iots base damage code not the staged up code. Witch will hurt more. Having 1 cup of 100c liquid on your arm or being hit on the arm by a baseball bat.
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Oct 14 2004, 12:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 9-October 04 From: I'm in Hell! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! (A.K.A Alabama) Member No.: 6,739 |
I'm going with the coffee personly. I WILL believe the bat has more power though.
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Oct 14 2004, 02:40 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Bad example. I have slammed an amazing variety of things at quite high speeds into my arm, and still do so occasionally for demonstration purposes, but there's no way you'd get me to dump a cup of boiling coffee on it. ~J |
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Oct 14 2004, 05:33 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Well how about this then: Which is more likely to kill you: Average Joe sticking a large, extremely sharp blade in your abdomen, or getting a cup of very hot coffee thrown at your abdomen?
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Oct 14 2004, 11:24 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
But they're noncomparable. A good solid stab to the torso is beyond what a single success would yield for the knife, while it'd probably be only one success for the coffee.
~J |
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Oct 14 2004, 11:33 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Why's that? I find it rather silly to assume that only a few (2-3) successes on an attack test to splash hot coffee on someone ends up with a good solid hit on the face even without a Called Shot. The majority of coffee splashes would probably be spread over a very large area, mainly the arms and upper torso. Getting most of it in one area, such as abdomen, would already be a major achievement.
It'd probably have to be tossed at about center chest, from where most of it would splash and drip on the abdomen, thighs and perhaps arms. This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Oct 14 2004, 11:35 AM |
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Oct 14 2004, 10:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 9-October 04 From: I'm in Hell! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! (A.K.A Alabama) Member No.: 6,739 |
Or if your target is male, a "lower" area. ;) |
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