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Anymage
post Sep 3 2003, 09:29 AM
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I'm a fan of humans. To me, metahumans should be rare-ish, and as a result I dislike making a character metahuman (or magically active, for that matter) unless it's key to their character. Not that I won't think "how would race X work in role Y", more that I dislike "I want to play an X, and wouldn't it be cool to make her a Y".

I also dislike elves, not because they can't be done well, but because too many people come at them thinking just "kewl and sexxie". Elves, IMO(&C), are only better than other people at making other people think that elves are better than they are. Think benign cult members. But I dislike players thinking that their characters get perks for being elven, and similarly writers giving elves cool perks just for being elves.
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Greyfoxx
post Sep 3 2003, 09:45 AM
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Giving cool perks like what, Anymage?

Every other race but humans have cool perks. That's what makes them different. You think a troll's size and brute strength, an orc's general physical advantage over human's yet maintaining not to be as ugly as trolls, or the dwarf's inherent toughness and knack for tinkering stuff not cool? Elves were made to be the cute, fast type in general. That's what makes them different. If they were just the same as humans, it becomes less of a real difference, but just for flavor purposes, to use elves.

Anyhow, i chose human because they're cool for being normal.
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post Sep 3 2003, 10:01 AM
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Elves all the way... same reason as some above. They've always been one of my favourite races! ;)

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Anymage
post Sep 3 2003, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (Greyfoxx)
Giving cool perks like what, Anymage?

Every other race but humans have cool perks. That's what makes them different. You think a troll's size and brute strength, an orc's general physical advantage over human's yet maintaining not to be as ugly as trolls, or the dwarf's inherent toughness and knack for tinkering stuff not cool? Elves were made to be the cute, fast type in general. That's what makes them different. If they were just the same as humans, it becomes less of a real difference, but just for flavor purposes, to use elves.

Anyhow, i chose human because they're cool for being normal.

Writers giving elves cool perks? I must be mistaken. After all, there are so many metaplot arcs about immortal orcs out there...

I agree that elves should have the super-charisma thing going. That's their "shtick", really. (That and their image as "the children of the sixth world". Charasmatic and magical in the public perception.) My problem is usually when players seem to think that being an elf gives them an automatic "cool pool" to draw from, as well as GM's who give them story benefits just because elves get some sort of favoritism bonus. Granted, this is also a player problem, but nobody ever seems to feel that their should be a dwarven "cool pool" floating around.

And in another sense, I agree with you fully Greyfoxx. If elves are just like humans, only cooler and with a few perks, they'll crowd out the human "character concept market", which diminishes both. This attitude is more visible in D&D crowds, but the elf-loving feelings carry over to many types of people, so even Shadowrun shows it at times.
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post Sep 3 2003, 10:21 AM
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Since the option wasn't in there, I didn't vote - but Koborokuru is my fave race. For roll-playing, that is :grinbig:

Come on...for a measly 10BP you get +1 to Body, +1 to Willpower and a whooping +2 to strength, not to mention thermographic vision, resistance to toxins and diseases and both natural immunity flaws... the only negative thing about being one is racism, and while significant it can be worked around ("whatdidyoujustcallme? See this [horribly big and powerful gun/dikoted spur weapon foci/nasty damaging spell - take your pick]? It says you treat me and my friends nice, or else... you freakishly tall fragger. And come down to my level where I can look you in the eyes [punches big guy in the nuts] - there!")

Seriously though...they are cool - small, hairy, japanese and hated.

Now, for the all-important role-playing I have no favorites - all races and character types have their own rewards as far as roleplaying goes.

Oh, and while you are at it... make the Koborokuru an albino drake ghoul changeling physical magician, with almost exclusively non-visible SURGE effects, who was trained by a dragon and given dikoted weapon foci spurs, nasty damaging spells and a horribly big and powerful gun :grinbig: Now you just need to give him a house-rule edge that makes him earn karma pool like a human does, and you can't go wrong! (Of course, using the normal BP system and 123 BPs, you now have something like 38 BPs to spend on skills and attributes and resources...but who's counting :spin:
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post Sep 3 2003, 11:50 AM
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When i GM, i like elf females, coz my players get the impression that they're soft, fragile, and easy to overpower. This is especially useful when trapping their macho stud humans and orcs.

But that was before. Now they've learned to deal with cutesy elven girls. That's good for me, though, since im able to focus on running them the campaign. They used to just go out in bars and flirt most of the time(and they had soooo much fun, meantime, i felt so uncomfortable flirting with them as i had to RP the elf girls). They even had this 'conquest' chart to see who has the most chiks in one night, those bastards. (Bad part is, some of them even want some detailed RPing while their char and the chik get it on.)

Anyway, elves are my second favorites, then orcs, then trolls, then dwarves.
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post Sep 3 2003, 04:17 PM
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I like elves. Okay, you've got to train them not! to eat the flowers but after that, they are better for lawnmowing than sheep. And they don't crap on the grass either!

Well, actually I hate elves. Maybe due to players picking eleves because of "benefits" rather than concept and the "cool factor" a lot of GM give those sugar a***d feyes.

For me, it's mostly the good ole human in it's tremendous variety. <Humanis>After all, it's still our world, not the one of those godd***ed subhumans that try to steal it from us </Humanis> With a good GM they are the "favored" race, easily blending in where others stick out, making a great "face" or spy character. With a good GM....

Played around with an Ork (actually an Ork triplet[1]) but retired the character since the group became another "Elven Mages ruling the world" thing with not much to do for mundanes and non-elves. Too bad, liked the lil russian bugger(s).


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[1] Q:How does an Ork form a gang?
A: He's born!
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post Sep 4 2003, 05:21 AM
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For reason's already mentioned i chose orks.

Down trodden, overlooked, underated poor fella's with their six bothers and 4 sisters with barely enough food to feed himself and his girl friend.

Yeah gotta be an ork. I mean who would expect that you went to MIT&T?
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post Sep 4 2003, 07:58 AM
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anymage, what?

SR3 pg 313

human 63%, elf 12%, dwarf 3%. ork 19%, troll 2%, other 1%

now, thats only registered, i would nearly guarentee theres a buttload of SINless orks out there. metahumans are not rare, there are more humans, but that depends where you are. sure, in montana a caucasian person would be the norm in his cowboy hat and 20 pound belt buckle, but in atlanta they arent exactly going to "fit in". the red hot nukes are a gang made up entirely of dwarves, all physads IIRC. the spikes are an all troll gang, and the ancients are all elf. this isnt like some woody allen impersonator club in de moines, these are large gangs with major influence in their area.

magic isn't rare in the shadows, for the same reason deckers, street samurai and riggers arent. if your a mage, either you run the shadows or be a talismonger, go corp, or do something unrelated to magic. street samurai con pretty much only run the shadows, and deckers can only be runners or corpers. so yea, a good percent of runners are magically active, because runners arent the "norm"

alsom there are no immortal orks, if you dont like IEs, you can always leave them out of your game. in game i have never had coffee with ehran, never went halves for a pizza with dunky and never been shot with a naval weapon. YMMV
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post Sep 4 2003, 02:44 PM
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When i GM, i like elf females, coz my players get the impression that they're soft, fragile, and easy to overpower. [etc.]
- Greyfoxx

An NPC former ally spirit that recently happened to go free in our game (all right, so I had a hand in it) was given the materialised shape of one of those soft, fragile, hot elven girls by her mage master - one guess as to why and the uses made thereof. I didn't know that at the time, and I still don't know it from her directly. If I had, he might not have ended up as a pile of ashes quite that quickly ...
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post Sep 4 2003, 04:43 PM
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Soft, fragile, hot elven girls, who could refuse them?

At the end of a good day's work, they are veeerrryy welcome to a tired, paid, happy runner.
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post Sep 4 2003, 08:41 PM
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I do like strange combinations.

My favorite I think was a friend of mine who made a Jewish Troll Mage named Hershel or as he pronounced it "Hoyshel".

When people would suddenly realize that the Troll was in fact a kind and timid scholar fascinated by magic, they would often get a strange look on their face, which he would always challenge with the question:

What?!? You neva seen a jewish Troll before?!?

Great character, good fun.

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winterhawk11
post Sep 4 2003, 10:07 PM
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Love the Jewish troll! :D

My favorite race didn't make it into the poll--Dragons! They're big, they're scary, they're magical, and they can take human form! What more could you ask for? 8)

Seriously, for PC material I prefer humans, with elves coming in second. Since I tend to play mages and/or faces, it's not hard to see why. I've occasionally thought it would be fun to play a nonstandard troll, but never really had any desire to play a dwarf or an ork.
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post Sep 5 2003, 03:21 PM
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Went ork, for personal preference reasons, but I gotta tell y'all about my FAVOURITE NPC created to assist my players.

Troll female, maxed out charisma and mods to make her a giant VIXEN! Former BDSM Prostitute, turned owner of a brothel.

She was pretty damn cool - she ran a sideline as an information broker - it's interesting what you pick up when people are PAYING you to torture them!
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Greyfoxx
post Sep 5 2003, 03:36 PM
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Yeah, troll females are really cool. One of my players is currently playing one. Same idea, cept she gets +4 to get spotted, and/or identified in exchange for a non functional(purely flavor) demon wings and tail. She's a mage and whenever she casts spells, she starts chanting some Old Latin language. She also had a custom implant, which allowed her to speak in different voices (like when possessed). She's a Demoness.

I like it because she's almost purely a flavor character backed by good roleplaying. Really nice.

Most of the newbs actually get scared of her, even though they can easily kill her with their munched characters.
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post Sep 5 2003, 05:49 PM
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Flavor is what makes a great character, nice moves of the bondage Troll =)

Nastiest Troll I know (not wackiest, that was Hoyshel) was a phys ad of Scottish heritage who INSISTED on wearing a kilt and he wore it in the "traditional" fashion. Which meant any dwarf who was standing close enough and looking up received the fright of his life.

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