 Bio Rejection/Sensitive System, Min Maxing Munchkins at work again |
 Oct 14 2004, 11:41 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 201 Joined: 13-August 04 From: Fort Smith, Arkansas Member No.: 6,560  |
Okay, just to double check (since I don't have the SR Companion in front of me) you can't take Sensitive System AND Biorejection can you? It not only seems cheesy but the way they read would lead me to believe that you're either one or the other, not both.
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Oct 14 2004, 11:56 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
No, and the book says so.
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Oct 14 2004, 11:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 201 Joined: 13-August 04 From: Fort Smith, Arkansas Member No.: 6,560 |
I though so those fragging drek-heads! Thanks!
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Oct 15 2004, 12:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 9-October 04 From: I'm in Hell! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! (A.K.A Alabama) Member No.: 6,739 |
You could get sensititive system, then somehow RPly get Bio-rejection, but that'd suck.
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Oct 15 2004, 01:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 201 Joined: 13-August 04 From: Fort Smith, Arkansas Member No.: 6,560 |
LOL. I'd personally like to see mysterious cyberware and biorejection developing from it.
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Oct 15 2004, 01:31 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Personally, I'd like to see what that mystery cyberware is, since by Canon, the cyber doesn't get to reduce Essense. The munchkin in me is very interested. Free MBW 4 with no Essense Loss, anybody?
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Oct 15 2004, 02:00 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Besides the obvious Cortex Bomb that is, eh? ;)
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Oct 15 2004, 02:23 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Come on, cortex bombs are sooo 2060.
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Oct 15 2004, 02:24 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
...where'd you get the idea that mysterious cyberware doesn't take up any essence?
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Oct 15 2004, 02:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 241 Joined: 20-September 04 Member No.: 6,682 |
MFB is correct... you can do some horrible horrible things with that flaw and enough game master discretion.
my fave is a hardwired chipjack with a berserker btl and a remote control. |
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Oct 15 2004, 02:37 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Because if the PC in question had 0.01 Essense left, it is still Canon that the PC can have Mysterious Cyberware. And if he has MC Flaw, then the cyber cannot take up any Essense as 0.01 is the base fraction of Essence.
BTW, with GM discretion, you can do anything, like simply taking the PC over and having him commit suicide. There you go... the GM wins the Shadowrun. |
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Oct 15 2004, 02:37 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
My favorite was a sim rig and remote transmitter. Instant underground shadowrun btls/simchips.
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Oct 15 2004, 02:40 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
that's an interesting reading of those rules, toturi. my personal interpretation would be that the GM would have to pick a cranial bomb of some sort, since that's the only cyber i'm aware of that doesn't take up any essence.
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Oct 15 2004, 02:42 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
I think peg legs and hook hands don't take any essence either. You character just has a mental block that keeps him from noticing... :grinbig:
character: So why is my running multiple only x1.5? GM: You're not quite sure. Some glich in your cyberwear, yeah that's it. |
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Oct 15 2004, 02:44 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
there is that. perhaps an extra cyberlimb that is a hook hand?
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Oct 15 2004, 06:16 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 |
Tooth compartments don't take up any Essense, either. Maybe the character has a tooth compartment with a tracking device in it.
"How do those damn Renraku ops teams keep finding us? We're in the middle of the Barrens!" |
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Oct 15 2004, 07:17 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Hmm, on that thread, replace all his teeth with small scale drones that climb out of his mouth when he's asleep and do various nasty things...
"Vampire assassin strike again!" and when they run the dental records on those bite marks, guess who its going to get back to? :rotfl: |
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Oct 15 2004, 07:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 9-October 04 From: I'm in Hell! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! (A.K.A Alabama) Member No.: 6,739 |
So... Many... Wrong... Things... You... Can... Make... ---- Is it just me? Am I the pervert? |
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Oct 15 2004, 07:27 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
one nasty one for if anyone ever combines mysterious cyberware with amnesia is a P-Fix 8 with skillwires 6 (improve grades on his other ware to compensate essence) and the character is the chip, not the original
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Oct 15 2004, 07:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 9-October 04 From: I'm in Hell! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! (A.K.A Alabama) Member No.: 6,739 |
Whenever someone gets Mysterious Cyberware, I usualy throw it into the plot somehow. such as unlocking doors, fudging rolls (good, OR BAD) Don't make it real cyberware. Use it as an ace in the hole for anything you might want to happen for the run.
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Oct 15 2004, 04:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 8-October 04 Member No.: 6,736 |
If he has .01 essence left, I'm sure that their is something that he has that can have things implanted in it for no essence. Remote control foot anchors in his cyberlegs would be interesting. |
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Oct 15 2004, 11:05 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
There are very few Canon cyberware that cost 0 Essense.
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Oct 15 2004, 11:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 403 Joined: 27-August 02 From: Scotland Member No.: 3,175 |
Peg legs and hook hands do cost a little essence actually.
Tooth compartments are a good idea though. There are other things you might want to try, if the old cranial bomb is a bit passé. Add some modifications to cyberware they already have, for example: - Increased Volume on their Voice Modulator, so they shout at inopportune moments. - A Personalised Smartlink Safety on their Smartlink, which seems to "malfunction" a lot of the time and stops it working. - A cosmetic mod on their cybereyes that turns them solid blue at ALL the wrong times. Etc, etc. None of these cost any essence if you have the base implant already, but can all mess people up pretty good! |
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Oct 15 2004, 11:26 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
but they do exist, toturi, which invalidates the claim that Mysterious Cyberware necessarily negates essence costs. if you want it to work that way in your game, cool, but i don't think there's a strong argument for it working that way in canon.
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Oct 15 2004, 11:35 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Zero Essense cost cyberware does exist in SR3. The GM could choose to use a piece of cyber that does not cause the PC to exceed his Essence. But Mysterious Cyber also allows the GM to out in any cyber he wants, even if adding it in would normally cause the PC to exceed his Essence. |
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