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> [SoA2064] SOTA 2064 . . . where's all the STUFF?, Book lacks state-of-the-art gear.
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post Oct 15 2004, 02:58 AM
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When I hear the term "state of the art," I think of equipment. Gear. Stuff you plug into the wall, or plug into your head, or both. Guns, gadgets, and getaway gear. Of course, there's state-of-the-art magic, and I don't mind seeing info on prisons and sports (I suppose), but shouldn't there be a chapter dedicated to new tech?

After all, new tech is what SOTA is all about.

Let me also say that I do enjoy the book, and my favourite part is that involving the adept powers, but if I had make a suggestion for SOTA 2065, it would be the inclusion of a lot more cars, guns, and goodies.

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post Oct 15 2004, 03:03 AM
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eh, that's not really the point of the SOTA books. they're for new stuff all around, not just toys. SOTA:65 will probably have lots of equipment and cyber stuff, though.
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post Oct 15 2004, 03:07 AM
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Sonic rifles, exploding cigarettes, and magic charms aren't enough? I think the quality of the new gear balances the quantity nicely.
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post Oct 15 2004, 05:26 AM
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We need more guns? Really?
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post Oct 15 2004, 05:27 AM
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Guns, lots of guns. :D
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post Oct 15 2004, 06:22 AM
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We do need more guns. Where's our 39-round-magazine assault rifle with integral laser sight but unable to accept a sound suppressor? Or our 9M Heavy Pistol with 14 or 16 rounds? These are clear and present holes that need filling!

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post Oct 15 2004, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
We do need more guns. Where's our 39-round-magazine assault rifle with integral laser sight but unable to accept a sound suppressor? Or our 9M Heavy Pistol with 14 or 16 rounds? These are clear and present holes that need filling!

~J

Not to forget the left-hand gun (grooves go the other way round) and the "high speed polysacharrin cube projector"

A system that uses "generic" gunstats and lacks such things as "reliability" stats (and <James Brown Mode> please, please, please </James Brown Mode> leave it that way) has little need for "more guns". If you need a Enfield L92 take the M23's stats and call that an L92.


For "mundane equipment" I recommend "... and a 304.8cm pole"[1] It covers the time up to the 1990s and for mundane stuff, that's close enough.


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[1] We use metric systems here. If you don't: 1 inch=2.54cm
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post Oct 15 2004, 09:20 AM
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I personally don't think we need more guns, but some more ammo types wouldn't go amiss - or perhaps rules to combine up types.

But what I think would be good would be some new cyber-toys. And Drones, yeah, good old fashioned combat droned with Armour 12 and twin LMG's.... okay perhaps not quite like that but a drone which is more of an all rounder would be nice - the ones in SOTA are cool but very specialised.
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post Oct 15 2004, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE (Canid13)
I personally don't think we need more guns, but some more ammo types wouldn't go amiss - or perhaps rules to combine up types.

But what I think would be good would be some new cyber-toys. And Drones, yeah, good old fashioned combat droned with Armour 12 and twin LMG's.... okay perhaps not quite like that but a drone which is more of an all rounder would be nice - the ones in SOTA are cool but very specialised.

Maybe a job for TSS: Drohnes of the world (or for one of it's columns)

An article about some of the more uncommon/ugly drones and robots. Say "military fire support/guard robot" or "automated sewer cleaning/maintenance bot". Some advanced "spydrone" stuff and maybe some "prototype medical unit"

One can think of a lot of uses for robots and drones (more often bots, less chance to be corrupted by an attacker[1])


On Cyber I could see a use for some disguise stuff (Bioware would be better) and maybe some jammer implants (for those who don't like a cyberlimb)

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[1] IIRC Robots don't need a drone / remote controll interface
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post Oct 15 2004, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE (Birdy)
IIRC Robots don't need a drone / remote controll interface

They need Pilot ratings, and I'm pretty sure they need RC interfaces. I may be wrong though.
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post Oct 15 2004, 11:22 AM
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Unless you're dead certain they can do their task without additional orders ever, they're still going to be remote-controlled and vulnerable.

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post Oct 15 2004, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
Unless you're dead certain they can do their task without additional orders ever, they're still going to be remote-controlled and vulnerable.

~J

There are quite a few systems where I could go by with "no rigger" or a "if necessary I unlock an armored panel and use a direct plugin". Or where I'd rather risk it.

Say:

Fire support/Patrol robot. Will take vocal orders by some people but won't have a jack you can access w/out dismanteling it

Sewer cleaning/maintenance unit. If there's a SINless squatter in the sewer, well who cares

Robot bus. If it really gets too tough for the robot, you'll need a human "on scene"


Birdy (Who wants either a tame Cyberdyne Systems T-X or a Genom S33 for Christmas)

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post Oct 15 2004, 01:44 PM
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Ah, well, mayhaps public opinion differs from my (usually contradictory) private opinion. I for one love Man and Machine and would enjoy seeing another text dedicated to new cyberware, personal electronics, Matrix programs, and yes (perish the thought) more guns.
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post Oct 15 2004, 02:05 PM
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I would also vote more toys and more cyber. I'm especially looking for more non-combat cyber. That's one thing I love about CP2020 that I feel SR really doesn't excel at; we have military cyber, but not so much 'legal for anyone' generic cyber. Also, more weapons for mundies to fight mages with could help. I think whosit in the 2064 thread made a good point about that.
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post Oct 15 2004, 02:58 PM
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I would love to see more atypical drones/robots (think Renraku Arcology: Shutdown). More nanoware. More wireless tech. Combining all of the above and bioware/genetics for crazy combinations (like what Deus' Leeches do for construction and security).
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post Oct 15 2004, 02:59 PM
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Definately need more non-combat cyber. Cyberpunk had things like lighters and other such coolness which was, frankly, cool.

However, combat cyber is also a good thing. You can't go wrong with a nice little dart launcher thing in your arm. SOTA cyber would really rock!

Guns, well, guns are cool. But let's not go overboard on them.... perhaps something in the 'special weapon' section, or perhaps something along the lines of a proper carbine.

Armour and coms and matrix stuff is also nice.....

In truth, just toys would rock! :o)
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post Oct 15 2004, 03:29 PM
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Well, perhaps I'm not alone, after all . . .
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post Oct 15 2004, 03:31 PM
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I just thought of something, why not move to the desert and use gecko tape to attach the peel n stick armor plating...
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post Oct 15 2004, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE (Union Jane)
Well, perhaps I'm not alone, after all . . .

We Britons need to stick together against Johnny Foreigner, what? :o)
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post Oct 15 2004, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE (Birdy)
There are quite a few systems where I could go by with "no rigger" or a "if necessary I unlock an armored panel and use a direct plugin". Or where I'd rather risk it.

That's what encryption is for, or poor man's encryption ("don't broadcast, don't acknowledge any signal that doesn't start with pattern xyzzy").

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post Oct 15 2004, 04:58 PM
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The problem with the no remote access is when things go wrong and the you start getting false-positives in the sensor array and the armored and armed to the teeth killa-drone starts whacking your friends and not your enemies
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post Oct 15 2004, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (Nikoli)
The problem with the no remote access is when things go wrong and the you start getting false-positives in the sensor array and the armored and armed to the teeth killa-drone starts whacking your friends and not your enemies

That's not a problem, that's a scenario.

Boomers anyone


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A rewrite of the cyberlimb rules would be a good idea as well. Currently replacement limbs cost way too much and have such crappy rules governing them to be either as common or useful as they should be in SR. You'd think by now that they'd manage to make limbs useful as actual limbs; right now they're only marginally useful because you can have other stuff installed inside of them.

First off the price: replacement limbs cost so much now that I'm pretty sure you can pay to have your own arm cloned and stay in the ICU the whole time it's being grown and still save money compared to a cyberarm. This is no good at all; why would anyone bother taking the Essence loss to have a chrome arm when it's so expensive and useless? By 2065 cyberlimbs should be, if not cheaper than cloning, at least cheaper than cloning plus a six-month hospital stay.

Secondly the rules for limbs are just bad. Forcing all cyberlimbs to have a default Str and Qui, not being able to adapt to the user without even more money, ECU and Essence spent on upgrades, seems very wrong to me. Again, by 2065 I'd be very surprised if this weren't much reduced, enough to make a cyberlimb or two even a good investment, rather than just a pain in the ass.
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post Oct 15 2004, 05:35 PM
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Word to that. Cyber limbs pretty much bite it as written.
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post Oct 15 2004, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (toturi @ Oct 14 2004, 11:27 PM)
Guns, lots of guns. :D

You ought to be smacked for that.

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I would love to see more atypical drones/robots (think Renraku Arcology: Shutdown).  More nanoware.  More wireless tech.  Combining all of the above and bioware/genetics for crazy combinations (like what Deus' Leeches do for construction and security).

I seem to recall a couple of drones you and Dave wrote for Screamsheet that would be sufficiently... exciting.
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