Question on movement Options

[DarkShade]

I have a question on movement, and initiative.
say you roll initiative 23, have a quickness of 9, a max run of x3, no athletics skill.
you can then run 27 m in one full turn.

you have only a sword and an enemy with a gun sitting 26 m from you, he rolls initiative 12.

will he be able to shoot you before you slice into him?

canon seems to imply that you move the 27 m over the entire combat turn so you will reach the 27 m mark at initiative 0 when the round ends, <meaning in this situation the guy would shoot you once perhaps twice before you got there>
If you just use actions the situation becomes difficult to visualize.. ie in 23 you run 26 m to the enemy then in 13 you chop him up before he can shoot.. but then why cant you keep moving in 13 and in 3?
in games where I have played we have always assumed an initiative drop by movement "getting there takes time" but I would like to know if there is a better way to handle this..

DS

[Nikoli]

My understanding is that you divide the meters to be covered by the total number of passes to be had.
As the moving characters turn comes up, they have moved that divided amount, therefore by the end of the rounf (init 0) they have moved the distance.
23 init = 3 passes
27/3=9 m per pass for moving character
27 = move 9 meters (15 meters to target)
12 = Shoot twice (2 simple actions)
17 = move 9 meters (6 meters to target)
2 = Shoot twice (2 simple actions)
7 = Target reached, melee ensues

[TheScamp]

Actually, melee can ensue on Initiative 7, before the guy with the gun gets his second set of shots off. Delay Action is your friend. :)

[edit]
And note that movement is divided among total passes in the Combat Turn, not just for that character's passes. Pistol guy could start moving away from sword dude as soon as he sees him start to advance.
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[RedmondLarry]

[Nikoli]

IIRC you have to declare your movement before the first pass, so realistically, yes, you could begin to back pedal, however the rules might state otherwise (don't have my books in front of me)

[RedmondLarry]

[Nikoli]

Thanks, will notate that in memory

[mmu1]

This came up in one of the few games I've run, with one player pretty unhappy about it.

My off-the-cuff response was to let him give up his 2nd and 3rd initiative passes in order to be able to get all his movement done in one pass, just like someone with a lower initiative.

I'm not really happy with it as a long-term solution, but at least it takes care of those situations where you're (for example) trying to get to a hostage before your enemy does, run over and cut the wire before someone hits the detonator switch, be the first through the door, etc, so moving according to your higher initiative is more important than getting additional initiative passes.

Another thing I don't like is the fact that (as I understand it) if someone with three initiative passes engages someone with one initiative pass in melee combat, the guy with worse initiative gets more chances to hurt the quick guy... I think in cases like this, the guy with higher Init should get a TN modifer per every extra initiative pass he has over his opponent.

[twofalls]

Yeah, this mechanic is clumsy. Trying to work out the speeds of multiple combatants in a melee/fire fight and then spread their movement over x number of passes is more trouble than its worth. I sacrifice trying to stage it all for simplicity. On any action phase, a given participant may move any % of his entire movement and is then done moving for the balance of the combat turn. Its not realistic, but its much more simple to keep track of.

[LinaInverse]

[Dashifen]

In actuallity, using the advanced melee rules from CC, there's a charging attack that makes it harder to hit but more powerful if you do. Melee can get benefits to running at your opponent.

[BitBasher]

EDIT: Double post.

[BitBasher]

[RedmondLarry]

[Luke Hardison]