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> HMHVV and shapeshifters, can they catch it
paul_HArkonen
post Oct 22 2004, 12:16 AM
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This question is sort of coming up in my game. I'm running the team against a group of ghouls, and one of the team is a shapeshifter. Now my question to all of you is this: Can a Shapeshifter catch HMHVV, and if they can what happens?
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post Oct 22 2004, 12:17 AM
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No, they can't. Or more correctly, there's no HMHVV variants for shapeshifters.
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post Oct 22 2004, 12:19 AM
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Thank you for your prompt response.
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post Oct 22 2004, 12:26 AM
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Canoninically? No.

If you wanted, you could make houserules. After all, in every fan fiction/anime/cheesey scifi movie, there are vampire dogs.

Go figure, huh?
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post Oct 22 2004, 12:30 AM
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And in Underworld, there's even a vampiric werewolf! Though it doesn't improve the movie.
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post Oct 22 2004, 12:36 AM
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Well, considering a werewolf is of the canine family (might be slightly removed, but that's unimportant), I'm still, more or less, correct. :silly:
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post Oct 22 2004, 01:06 AM
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Hmm... WMWVV... Nah, too easy to get lost in all the sharp angles.
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post Oct 22 2004, 01:40 AM
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Hmm...Abominations in Shadowrun...and my vampire hunter Helios facing one...that would be fun! :)
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post Oct 22 2004, 01:41 AM
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the real question is, do you want to deal with the player whose shapeshifter character catches it?
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post Oct 22 2004, 03:57 AM
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Hell hath no fury like an SR player afflicted with HMHVV...
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post Oct 22 2004, 12:44 PM
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My understanding of HMHVV is that if there isn't a creature described as (meta)-infected version of said disease like the doznoqui(can't remember how to spell it, let alone pronounce it) is a troll with HMHVV then the disease simply kills them outright, mutated beyond the capaccity for mother nature to accept it's existence.
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post Oct 22 2004, 01:08 PM
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No, Dzoo Noo Qua exist, and continue to do so, after infection.

Dwarves are either killed outright or become feral as a Goblin.
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post Oct 22 2004, 01:09 PM
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I know they exist. It's what comes from a troll being infected. What I'm saying is, if critters didn't detail the race+HMHVV then the disease kills it. Hence, if a shapeshifter catches the disease and succumbs to it, they are dead, an ugly twisted lump of flesh, dead.
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post Oct 22 2004, 01:25 PM
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How exactly does HMHVV kill a wereform? Does it do damage? Or (God forbid) some form of Attribute damage so when Attribute=0, the shapeshifter dies?
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post Oct 22 2004, 01:28 PM
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You have to distinguish the form of infection:

1. Infection power => The victim has to be drained to Essence = 0. So it's most definitely not the virus that kills a victim, but the fact that all life force has been drained. HMHVV then revives certain victims (that have to feed on Essence pretty soon, or they'll "die" again), the rest simply remains dead

2. Pestilence power => Here the virus seems only to infect certain species (depending on virus type), while others remain unaffected. But it says nowhere that such unaffected species "die" upon contact with the virus ...
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post Oct 22 2004, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE (paul_HArkonen)
Can a Shapeshifter catch HMHVV, and if they can what happens?

Nope, he can't.
It's called HMHVV - Human/MetaHuman Vampiric Virus.
A Shapeshifter is not a human (Homo sapiens) but a different species (Bestiaforma mutabilis).
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post Oct 22 2004, 09:14 PM
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koala aint human either but they get HMHVV and become drop bears
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post Oct 22 2004, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE (Kremlin KOA)
koala aint human either but they get HMHVV and become drop bears

Bam!
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post Oct 22 2004, 10:39 PM
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Actually, I believe Drop Bears do not have HMHVV, but a similar virus that does not result in vampiric tendancies or the ability to transmit the virus to humans.
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post Oct 22 2004, 10:59 PM
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Drop bears have a virus similar to HMHVV, but it isn't contageous to humanity and doesn't even have a power to infect other koala.

Chupacabra have DNA segments that resemble HMHVV, but no actual active virus.

Sasquatches can catch the HMHVV-2 variant, known for loup-garou and fomorians.

So that's three critters which show some connection with HMHVV. A vampirism virus may exist for more species than humans and koala, but none has been stated in the books yet.

If you plan to introduce a vampiric shifter, start with the vampiric version of the base animal. It will only be a matter of time before the PCs realize that the shifter of the same species that you introduced earlier could potentially catch that vampirism variant...
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paul_HArkonen
post Oct 23 2004, 01:18 AM
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actually the Shifter is a PC, the question is do I have to worry about having an HMHVV shifter on the team (cause you know that would be really hard to plan a run for) or not, and so far the general consensus is not.

But if I ever decide to hit them with that I'll be sure to keep the suggestion in mind
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