HMHVV and shapeshifters, can they catch it |
HMHVV and shapeshifters, can they catch it |
Oct 22 2004, 12:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 1-May 04 Member No.: 6,295 |
This question is sort of coming up in my game. I'm running the team against a group of ghouls, and one of the team is a shapeshifter. Now my question to all of you is this: Can a Shapeshifter catch HMHVV, and if they can what happens?
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Oct 22 2004, 12:17 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
No, they can't. Or more correctly, there's no HMHVV variants for shapeshifters.
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Oct 22 2004, 12:19 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 1-May 04 Member No.: 6,295 |
Thank you for your prompt response.
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Oct 22 2004, 12:26 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Canoninically? No.
If you wanted, you could make houserules. After all, in every fan fiction/anime/cheesey scifi movie, there are vampire dogs. Go figure, huh? |
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Oct 22 2004, 12:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 108 Joined: 15-September 03 From: Worcester, MA Member No.: 5,621 |
And in Underworld, there's even a vampiric werewolf! Though it doesn't improve the movie.
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Oct 22 2004, 12:36 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Well, considering a werewolf is of the canine family (might be slightly removed, but that's unimportant), I'm still, more or less, correct. :silly:
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Oct 22 2004, 01:06 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Hmm... WMWVV... Nah, too easy to get lost in all the sharp angles.
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Oct 22 2004, 01:40 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,353 Joined: 5-June 02 Member No.: 2,840 |
Hmm...Abominations in Shadowrun...and my vampire hunter Helios facing one...that would be fun! :)
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Oct 22 2004, 01:41 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
the real question is, do you want to deal with the player whose shapeshifter character catches it?
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Oct 22 2004, 03:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 187 Joined: 30-April 04 Member No.: 6,294 |
Hell hath no fury like an SR player afflicted with HMHVV...
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Oct 22 2004, 12:44 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
My understanding of HMHVV is that if there isn't a creature described as (meta)-infected version of said disease like the doznoqui(can't remember how to spell it, let alone pronounce it) is a troll with HMHVV then the disease simply kills them outright, mutated beyond the capaccity for mother nature to accept it's existence.
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Oct 22 2004, 01:08 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
No, Dzoo Noo Qua exist, and continue to do so, after infection.
Dwarves are either killed outright or become feral as a Goblin. |
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Oct 22 2004, 01:09 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
I know they exist. It's what comes from a troll being infected. What I'm saying is, if critters didn't detail the race+HMHVV then the disease kills it. Hence, if a shapeshifter catches the disease and succumbs to it, they are dead, an ugly twisted lump of flesh, dead.
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Oct 22 2004, 01:25 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
How exactly does HMHVV kill a wereform? Does it do damage? Or (God forbid) some form of Attribute damage so when Attribute=0, the shapeshifter dies?
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Oct 22 2004, 01:28 PM
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Mr. Quote-function Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,312 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Germany Member No.: 1,376 |
You have to distinguish the form of infection:
1. Infection power => The victim has to be drained to Essence = 0. So it's most definitely not the virus that kills a victim, but the fact that all life force has been drained. HMHVV then revives certain victims (that have to feed on Essence pretty soon, or they'll "die" again), the rest simply remains dead 2. Pestilence power => Here the virus seems only to infect certain species (depending on virus type), while others remain unaffected. But it says nowhere that such unaffected species "die" upon contact with the virus ... |
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Oct 22 2004, 05:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
Nope, he can't. It's called HMHVV - Human/MetaHuman Vampiric Virus. A Shapeshifter is not a human (Homo sapiens) but a different species (Bestiaforma mutabilis). |
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Oct 22 2004, 09:14 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
koala aint human either but they get HMHVV and become drop bears
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Oct 22 2004, 09:16 PM
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
Bam! |
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Oct 22 2004, 10:39 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Actually, I believe Drop Bears do not have HMHVV, but a similar virus that does not result in vampiric tendancies or the ability to transmit the virus to humans.
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Oct 22 2004, 10:59 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Drop bears have a virus similar to HMHVV, but it isn't contageous to humanity and doesn't even have a power to infect other koala.
Chupacabra have DNA segments that resemble HMHVV, but no actual active virus. Sasquatches can catch the HMHVV-2 variant, known for loup-garou and fomorians. So that's three critters which show some connection with HMHVV. A vampirism virus may exist for more species than humans and koala, but none has been stated in the books yet. If you plan to introduce a vampiric shifter, start with the vampiric version of the base animal. It will only be a matter of time before the PCs realize that the shifter of the same species that you introduced earlier could potentially catch that vampirism variant... |
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Oct 23 2004, 01:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 1-May 04 Member No.: 6,295 |
actually the Shifter is a PC, the question is do I have to worry about having an HMHVV shifter on the team (cause you know that would be really hard to plan a run for) or not, and so far the general consensus is not.
But if I ever decide to hit them with that I'll be sure to keep the suggestion in mind |
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