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 Oct 27 2004, 09:27 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 292 Joined: 24-September 04 Member No.: 6,701  |
No, that'd probably be an Air Elemental. ;) Next time I go shopping, there's going to be a manifested City Spirit to hold all my bags! Too bad Shamen are limited to a single Nature spirit at a time, but at least unlike Hermetics, we don't pay for our butlers :D |
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Oct 27 2004, 09:31 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734 |
Just make sure to make your butler semi-intelligent, or they may go "ooh shiny!" and dart off.
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Oct 27 2004, 09:54 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
And make sure not to accidently pain yourself you your buddy with the laser when your drawing the weapon. |
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Oct 27 2004, 10:59 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Fire is a part of nature. The occasional fire is actually quite necessary for good growth. The Spirit is motivated by (and could be grateful for) your concern to keep the fire in check and minimize impact on the environment. There are a lot of ways you could explain it. |
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Oct 27 2004, 11:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 11-December 02 From: The other end of your computer screen Member No.: 3,724 |
silly people...no one should need ponder the diverse services of spirits if we all remind people of..."sex with our dikoted ally spirit"
That kinda sums that up right? :grinbig: Hey whatever happened to the "abused elemental society" thing that was going on back a while ago. (sorry...PM me that answer please...let's not de-rail this good thread) |
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Oct 27 2004, 11:18 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,652 |
This whole issue may be the biggest problem I have with SR3. IIRC, shamans in SR2 were unable to command spirits to physical service. That was the domain of elementals. Nature spirits are too flexible as written in the current edition.
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Oct 27 2004, 11:24 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I don't recall anything of the sort. Do you have a reference?
I guess it depends on what you call 'Physical Service', but Spirits have always been able to engage in combat, perform remote service, engulf (if capable), and other things that require them to materialize. |
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Oct 28 2004, 12:29 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
I don't know about summoning the same nature spirits but you can add services to elementals by performing a new ritual. Great for when your GM says that the spirit doesn't know how to do something. Teach it, keep it, expand its skill set.
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Oct 28 2004, 12:38 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Nature Spirits are allies and friends of the shaman, not tools. Having your Hearth Spirit clean house with you is cool; having it clean while you drink on the couch is not (unless you have reason such as a broken leg). [Nature] Spirits are sentient and if treated badly will perform their services to the least, while treated with compassion might go one step beyond. Their disadvantage is that others can ask things of them as well (though the spirit is not bound to serve them) if it does not conflict with their summoner's command. They also reflect the domain they are summoned from. A Hearth Spirit from a happy home will be mannered and helpful, while one from a pool of human misery will be dull, rude, and often hostile.
Elementals are tools to be used as such, though they can appreciate manners. |
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Oct 28 2004, 12:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 8-October 04 Member No.: 6,736 |
Ew…those are the same claws he uses to kill people. That definitely has to be a blood borne pathogen risk. |
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Oct 28 2004, 12:49 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Not if properly sterilized. I'd assume you'd do that regularly, given that they do retract into your arm and all.
~J |
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Oct 28 2004, 12:49 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
I have this idea of a Hearth spirit nanny while the parents go on a night out on the town.
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Oct 28 2004, 02:12 AM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Blood spirits do it better. "Now, Drax'kul the Uncaring, I want Tommy and Pam in bed by 8. No Nintendo until after they have their dinner!" |
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Oct 28 2004, 03:30 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
Not quite true. One of the books mentioned the Domovoi as a variant of Hearth spirits, and historically they did clean the house for you. There's also the story of the shoemaker and the elves, and several other fables about faeries who did chores for people. |
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Oct 28 2004, 05:47 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
It dose suggest that a Sharman should respect his spirit allies. This dose not preclude having them help with the chores but you have to be respectful about it. Summoning a hearth spirit to clean your home for the rent inspection because you have to go on a run is one thing. Having it clean the car because you want to budge around is being disrespectful.
Elementals are also intelligent but they are bound effectively as slaves. When they get free they almost always attack there summoned (or return to the metaplains) regales of how they where treated being forced to service will do that. Heretics look upon elementals s tools at best, slaves at worst (ok there are exceptions) having one clean your car while you do nothing would be quite acceptable but consider that timothy 3 doors down wants some pocket money and would happily do the job for $50 you begin to relies that its not very economical way of getting the car cleaned. Edward |
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Oct 28 2004, 09:02 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 5-August 04 Member No.: 6,541 |
Granted, but it sends a clear message to the local gangers about who's car they ought not to break into and trash. :) |
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Oct 28 2004, 03:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 292 Joined: 24-September 04 Member No.: 6,701 |
Couple of people now saying that "spirits have feelings too". What about the argument that chores may not be "dignified" but they sure as hell a lot safer. How is it "better" to send a spirit or watcher to certain death (as we define death anyway) vs some minor chores?
Also, what about another scenario between "lazy" and "on a run" like having a spirit do chores while you're doing something like researching a new spell, building a foci, or something similar that requires the Shaman's near-constant concentration? |
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 Oct 28 2004, 03:38 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Spirits are a creation of the summoner's will. Whether some bleeding-hearts may worry about "feelings" or not is irrelevant.
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Oct 28 2004, 03:52 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Where is that thread anyway? Can't find it... :please:
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Oct 28 2004, 04:36 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Pueblo Corporate Council Member No.: 2,020 |
Hmm.. it's an interesting proposition.
When you summon a spirit, you get a particular number of services, depending on how well you convinced the spirit to emerge in astral space (similar with elementals). With elementals, you can 're summon' them to increase the number of services they have (can't do that with spirits). Spirits jet once they're done, being pulled onto the astral plane usually an affront to their dignity, unless they do something really helpful for the manasphere as a whole. Your average street shaman is not summoning them for the common good, but rather the self-good of the summoner. Although, this does remind me of the over-powered mage character I once ran with... had the Earth Elemental check the oil and tires while the Fire Elemental pumped the gas at a service station just outside the Tir border.. "If ever you come out by the Tir border...." I just came up with an idea for a song! But anyway. IMHO, the more mundane and inane the task, the quicker the spirit is going to depart when it's services are fulfilled. |
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Oct 28 2004, 04:38 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Fire elemental, pumping gas...
Anyone else see a funny anecdote for the CLUE files? |
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Oct 28 2004, 04:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 11-December 02 From: The other end of your computer screen Member No.: 3,724 |
I better like the elemental shofer(I know I spelled that wrong)
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Oct 28 2004, 04:54 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
chaufer (drekin' foreign words picked up and not spelled phoenetically)
[edit: drek, still wrong, but the spell check thought it was right... must find more reliable spell checking] |
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Oct 28 2004, 04:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 292 Joined: 24-September 04 Member No.: 6,701 |
Are you guys talking about a chauffeur? The problem with that is that spirits, elementals, and critters in general are kind of nebulous in defining skills. Not sure if you really want an elemental with no Car skill driving you around.
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Oct 28 2004, 05:04 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Default to Reaction just like everyone else. :D
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