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[Johnson]

I have some interesting questions.

First -- Stun Batons
I strike an opponent with a Stun baton. I yield 2 successes more than my opponent. Damage of stun baton is 8S does the stun damage stage up to 8D

Second -- Shock Gloves
I strike an opponent with a Shock Gloves. I yield 2 successes more than my opponent. Damage of shock glove is 8S does the stun damage stage up to 8D as above.(the later would not be pertinent if successes doesn't changes shock damage)
As your physical damage also would increase (str)M stun to (str)S stun

Third -- Stun batons and Trolls
To determine TN for a Human and Troll. Human get +1 Reach(Stun Baton), Troll gets +2 Reach (Stun Baton and Nat. Reach).

Point 1 ( I believe is correct )
In saying that the Troll would either make the TN greater by +1 for human, or -1 TN for himself.

Point 2 ( This is harder game Machanics )

Human decides on either making his TN -1 or the Trolls +1. Either easier for him to hit the Troll or harder for the troll to hit him.

Troll decides on either making his TN -2 or the humans +2. Either easier for him to hit the human or harder for the human to hit him.

Point 1
This is going to be a harder longer combat as the TN are higher giving the skilled combatant the upper hand. As TN 4 or more is harder to generate on limited number D6

Point 2
All this does is make a finer line of choice, in which case the Troll is going to give the human a beating because of reach reach modifiers of 2. ( Yea I know Pole arms add a Extra reach. That would make combat totally favour Troll)

Summary.
Would it not be better to use this formula. Troll reach +2 less the Human Reach +1 giving the Troll the favour of +1 Reach and TN. This make a fair way of combat.
(To be corrected this is how the rule book explains it)

[Stumps]

[Luke Hardison]

By canon, striking with a stun baton means your damage code is 8S Stun. So successes would modify that up or down, depending on the outcome.

Also by canon, the shock glove damage is (Str - 1) M Stun + 8S Stun. You can stage up the fist damage, but not the shock damage.

This, to me, is very odd. Therefore, in my games, they both work like the stun glove. The baton has a base damage code of (Str) M Stun just like a club, then + 8S Stun for the shock. Everyone has been happy with this so far ... they're still not widely popular except with the police.

I have no idea what you were trying to say with the rest of your post. Let me clarify. When figuring reach, the combatant with the greater reach gets to choose to either

1) add the difference in reaches to his opponent's target number (thus making himself harder to hit)

OR

2) subtract the difference in reaches from his own target number (making it easier for him to hit his opponent)

Either way, the person who controls reach for the combat has a huge advantage, especially when the difference is >1, like a troll with a combat axe.

Edit:

[Stumps]

perhaps the issue with the stun glove is one where the stun baton is the actual issue.
If the glove's stun doesn't stage and has a seperate rate for damage without stun, then perhaps the baton needs the same treatment of seperation to make a consistent concept that electroshock damage isn't really capable of being staged up because it has a volt setting. (unless you amp more volts out of it :D )

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[Johnson]

[Johnson]

[Kagetenshi]

[Austere Emancipa...]

[Johnson]

Your point is taken. But in the fact of Troll with stun baton and human with stun baton.
Troll has now +2 Reach, where as the Human has +1 reach.
Do both get to use thier reach modifiers, or the Troll just gets the +1 modifier and the Human +1 is negated by the Trolls other +1.

[Austere Emancipa...]

[Fortune]

As was already stated, the combatant with the net Reach advantage (in this case the Troll) would have the choice of how to distribute the Reach bonus (in this case that is a net Reach of 1).

[Ol' Scratch]

[mmu1]

[blakkie]

[Johnson]

7S Normal Stun baton
8S for AZ 150

formalities, I am trying to get the understanding why stage stun damage up. A shock is a shock.

[Kagetenshi]

[Ol' Scratch]

But a direct shock to a vulnerable area like the back of the neck is more shocking than a near-miss to a less vulnerable spot like your little finger or a naturally resist/armored spot like a troll's dermal deposit. Feel free to try it with a cattle prod sometime if you don't believe me.

[Fortune]

[Austere Emancipa...]

[Nikoli]

I'd allow for called shots with a stun weapon, but no other stage up.

[Stumps]

(ignore at will)Bah! called shots are a broken concept anywhere.(/ignore at will)

[Ol' Scratch]

And to put it simply, if Stun Weapons were immune to staging, there'd be no way to knock someone out with one without sitting there zapping them repeatedly. With a Serious stun weapon, that means you'll do Deadly Stun Damage and two boxes of Physical Damage with two zaps. No changes allowed; you either resist it in full or you don't (staging works both ways afterall). No one will ever be stunned from a single hit, either. Ever. Not even a little girl with Body 1.

EDIT: Nope, called shots are only broken in abstract systems that already account for it in the standard mechanic. Shadowrun would be one such system.

[Nikoli]

But with a called shot to raise the damage level to Deadly, you'd have the TKO you desire

[Ol' Scratch]

Assuming you'd ever hit. Which your average person wouldn't. (Modified TN 8, Skill 3.) It's not that hard to hit a good spot even against a struggling opponent... especially since staging accounts for "called shots" (aiming for vulnerable spots) to begin with.

[Stumps]