 vs. The Joy of Four?, Blackjack's joy of four: yea or nea? |
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 Oct 29 2004, 04:29 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 4-October 04 Member No.: 6,724  |
So, I was rooting through blackjack's site and I found this gem about opposed rolls:
http://blackjack.dumpshock.com/stuff/RULEjoyoffour.htm I think I like it. Does anyone have some experience with this rules mod? Is it good or should I sooner give Argent a swirly than use this? For some context: I like stripped down rules and am not afraid to improvise if I have to. I'm thinking of trying it at next weeks session, but I'd love some insight from you folks. |
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Oct 29 2004, 04:43 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
In a fit of coincidence, there is a thread about this exact topic right here
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Oct 29 2004, 05:42 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I personally dislike the Joy of Four and think it's a solution in search of a problem. YMMV.
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Oct 29 2004, 06:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 669 Joined: 25-May 03 Member No.: 4,634 |
I like how it makes so many of the bothersome ratings not related to Skills, such as Attributes, Power in a Damage Code, armor rating, spell, focus, and spirit Force, maglock ratings, etc., irrelevent or vastly less important. Way to gut the SR system.
Let's look at his test example: if the TN is always 4, why the hell bother casting a Powerbolt with a Force above 3? Or any other combat spell for that matter? The primary role of force in this case, as the Power of the Damage a target must resist, has been taken away. |
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Oct 29 2004, 06:06 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
I thought that rant only applied a change for the cases where the TN for person 1 is the skill/attribute being rolled by person 2 and the TN for person 2 is the skill/attribute being rolled by person 1.
In that case, it only affects things like banishing, breaking wards, and some social skills. I still probably won't use it, but I never thought he meant to discard all PC influence on the TN for the opponent. |
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Oct 29 2004, 06:30 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
It's a good replacement for Open Tests, but that's about it. I wouldn't use it in most other situations for the very reason GunnerJ and the others have pointed out.
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Oct 29 2004, 07:04 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,806 |
I'm certainly not going to use it in any other case than the symmetrical two-skills-being-used-overall case. On the other hand, in that case, a single point really does turn into an incredible advantage.
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