Weird question about bioware..., I was cruising the web and found this... |
Weird question about bioware..., I was cruising the web and found this... |
Oct 30 2004, 01:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 4-September 04 Member No.: 6,628 |
My question is, why would this cause high blood pressure induced headaches? Wouldn't strengthening the arterial walls enhance their durability to prevent this from happening? |
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Oct 30 2004, 01:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 127 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Sweden Member No.: 1,313 |
An in-character post could be just to add flavour, and considering all different individuals it's plausible atleast one would think this enhancement was the source of his headaches maybe?
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Oct 30 2004, 02:10 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
bioware stress
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Oct 30 2004, 02:32 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
I think it's the "accelerated blood flow" that's causing the problems with blood pressure.
Athletes generally perform better than the rest of us because their cardiovascular systems are much more efficient as a result of conditioning, not because their blood flows faster, and all things being equal would have lower blood pressure. In general, it's best not to try make sense of SR bioware in terms of actual biology... |
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Oct 30 2004, 02:45 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
This isn't even SR bioware, it's a fan-made addon.
Though in its pseudodefense, it doesn't say that it gets you the performance the same way as an olympic athlete gets it, just that the degree is comparable. ~J |
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Oct 31 2004, 06:37 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
Possible explanation.
Only the arteries have been strengthened and they are increasing the speed of blood flow. When that blood flow gets to the unmodified capillaries thee will be a greater pressure with no additional strength. This would probably account for the headaches. Edward |
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Oct 31 2004, 11:26 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
It increases blood pressure because that's pretty much exactly what blood pressure is; the force at which your system is pumping blood through your arteries. Based upon the description and the name of the implant, that's also exactly what it does.
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Nov 1 2004, 02:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 4-September 04 Member No.: 6,628 |
Maybe I am being anal about this, but I love details and quirks like this one. I just thought since stronger=more durable (durabler? :P ) that blood pressure headaches shouldn't happen because the enhanced arteries are less likely to expand painfully or burst, i.e. the blood pressure is higher, but the body is enhanced to handle it by the same thing that makes it higher...if that makes any sense.
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Nov 1 2004, 03:16 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Not if they skimped by not strengthening the cranial blood vessels as much or at all.
~J |
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Nov 1 2004, 03:23 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
The description also says nothing about making them durable, only increase their "muscles" to mprove their ability to pump your blood.
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Nov 1 2004, 06:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 11-December 02 From: The other end of your computer screen Member No.: 3,724 |
I'm not entirely sure and I'll have to ask my roomate who's a medic, but from my understanding of things, if you make the arterys thicker you will, in effect, be accomplishing the same results as clogging the artery with mayonaise.
You've just reduced the amount of space that the blood has to flow through the artery. The explination that the extra thickness will increse the blood flow is somewhat odd cause if you do that with a high blood pressure set-up as is given, you'll be risking a heart-attack at some point. I'll check on this with my roomate however and make sure. |
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Nov 1 2004, 07:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 4-September 04 Member No.: 6,628 |
Strength of a muscle directly corresponds to it's durability. Therefore, making the muscle stronger is done by making it "tougher" as it were. So it shouldn't give headaches, unless, as Kagetenshi said, they skimmped on the cranial blood vessels. IMO anyway. |
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Nov 1 2004, 07:23 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
I'm pretty sure there's a different between the smooth muscle found in arteries and the skeletal muscle that you see on body builders. They both have different characteristics, though I don't remember if that's one of the ones they share or not.
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Nov 1 2004, 11:41 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
That really depends on where the thickness is added. If it is added on the inside, it would reduce the arteries' interior diameter. If it is added on the outside, it wouldn't. |
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Nov 1 2004, 03:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 4-September 04 Member No.: 6,628 |
I concur. Also note that it doesn't say it thickens the "thick, flexible, muscular walls of the arteries" it just says it reinforces them, which could be accomplished without thickening. |
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Nov 1 2004, 05:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 11-December 02 From: The other end of your computer screen Member No.: 3,724 |
Hi this is Stumps' roommate. Call me SithMedic83. Ok...First of all, the arteries, although a type of muscle tissue, do not in fact pump or push is anyway, they are merely elastic muscular tissue. The reason that they expand is because the heart contracts, pumping the blood out into the arteries and the reason that the arteries contract is because the heart expands, drawing blood in. The heart is the only thing in the circulatory system that in fact causes blood to flow throughout the body. Now, let’s examine this shall we. Assuming that this is a procedure done to grown adults within the realm of SR, and not children…
Ok now this misinformed mad scientist is going to give the reactive tissues of the circulatory system a Proactive property and have them pump. Still assuming that this is done as a procedure to adults; this would cause 2 immediate reactions,
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Nov 1 2004, 06:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 4-September 04 Member No.: 6,628 |
Cool, thanks for the info. :)
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Nov 1 2004, 07:55 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
Now if we take what SithMedic83 gives us (witch was very impressive) and apply the usual amount of suspension of disbelief needed to make anything in SR work we have the arteries working as well timed tubular pumps and the headache being caused by the increased blood pressure in the unmodified capillaries.
Edward |
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Nov 2 2004, 04:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 11-December 02 From: The other end of your computer screen Member No.: 3,724 |
That wouldn't really keep you from having an increased blood flow in a system that hasn't slowly adjusted to it over time like a child turning into an athlete.
And so, we would end up with an aneurism or, as SM83 had talked about with me on IR as well with this. You could end up with blood filling your lungs as part of a complication with the system and this new flood of blood and it's sudden new pressure. And, I'm not sure you could make your arteries time themselves better with your heart, since they contract when your heart draws blood in and expand when your heart pumps blood out. SM83 basically said that he'd give anyone who got this done on the fly like SR Doc's like to do and we're accustomed to, about 3 hours max before they have an aneurism or flood their lungs with blood. Not to mention he said the entire time until that death would be real painful as your small veins pumped too much blood through them with high blood pressure, essentially making you look like Emperor Palpitine as far as veins look. |
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Nov 2 2004, 05:25 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 11-December 02 From: The other end of your computer screen Member No.: 3,724 |
The actual SR effect of suspended disbelief would be that Aztechnology could pull this thing off if you submitted to them as a test-subject to stay in-house for 6 months to a year.
There's no garantee that you'd live through it, but there's a chance that you might with how good their scientists are. |
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Nov 2 2004, 05:30 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
I just don't see the point in bothering with it. I realize it's an old entry (I saw it while surfing a long time ago myself), but if you *really* need more Athletics than a Synthacardium 2, Reflex Recorder, a Nanite Hive with Oxy-Rush, and the Erythropoietin genetech treatment can give you (+7 dice)... well... just play a friggin' adept. :D
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